Better playoff performer, a 33/6/6 guy or a 28/9/7 guy?

[MP.Trey]

I'm a huge LeBron fan but I'd take 33/6/6 every damn day assuming they have similar efficiency.

[ClipperRevival]

Love how OP rounded off higher for LeBron and lower for MJ. Way to keep it legit.

But here are their actual numbers:

LeBron (199 playoff games): 28.0 PPG, 27.7 PER, .478%, 8.8 RPG, 6.8 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 3.5 TO

Jordan (179 playoff games): 33.4 PPG, 28.6 PER, .487%, 6.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2.1 SPG, 0.9 BPG, 3.1 TO

[ClipperRevival]

So MJ gave you 5.4 more ppg on better efficiency with less turnovers in a more optimal style of play (less ball dominant and more off ball play).

The 2.4 rpg advantage can be attributed to LeBron's superior size. The 1.1 apg advantage is all but offset with his additional .4 TO and ball dominant style.

[ClipperRevival]

Another thing to keep in mind is that LeBron's numbers will decline as he leaves his prime. If we are doing MJ's numbers up until the age of 31, it's below:

(121 games - 1985-1995):

34.4 PPG, 29.2 PER, .499%, 6.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.4 TO

[Dray n Klay]

So MJ gave you 5.4 more ppg on better efficiency with less turnovers in a more optimal style of play (less ball dominant and more off ball play).

The 2.4 rpg advantage can be attributed to LeBron's superior size. The 1.1 apg advantage is all but offset with his additional .4 TO and ball dominant style.

LOL the size advantage argument is dumb




Should we just discount every good rebounder who got rebounds just because of size?



Should we not care that Shaq got 9-10 more rebounds than Kobe just because of 'size'?

[Dray n Klay]

Another thing to keep in mind is that LeBron's numbers will decline as he leaves his prime. If we are doing MJ's numbers up until the age of 31, it's below:

(121 games - 1985-1995):

34.4 PPG, 29.2 PER, .499%, 6.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 3.4 TO

Both (playoff) MJ and LeBron played 13 seasons



I'm simply comparing both their first 13 seasons, who cares what LeBron does later?

[PP34Deuce]

Smart attempt at basically asking would you rather have Jordan or Lebron.

one extra assist from the 28PPG player gives an extra 2-3 points to the teams box score. creates 30 or 31 points while giving you a potential extra possession with rebounding.

[ClipperRevival]

LOL the size advantage argument is dumb




Should we just discount every good rebounder who got rebounds just because of size?



Should we not care that Shaq got 9-10 more rebounds than Kobe just because of 'size'?

You can't be this dense. Shaq/Kobe played different positions. Heck, even MJ/LeBron played different positions. And LeBron plays the positions where he is expected to get a bit more rebounds because SF's are naturally bigger. He has 2 inches and about 40 lbs over MJ. Yeah, size doesn't matter.

[ClipperRevival]

Both (playoff) MJ and LeBron played 13 seasons



I'm simply comparing both their first 13 seasons, who cares what LeBron does later?

Well, MJ played 3 seasons in college so after his 13th season, he was 35 and well past his physical prime. LeBron is still in his prime. So when it's all said and done, his numbers will decline. That's my point.

[Dray n Klay]

You can't be this dense. Shaq/Kobe played different positions. Heck, even MJ/LeBron played different positions. And LeBron plays the positions where he is expected to get a bit more rebounds because SF's are naturally bigger. He has 2 inches and about 40 lbs over MJ. Yeah, size doesn't matter.

What's your point? A rebound is a rebound regardless of the players size.


LeBron got 3 extra possessions for his team due to rebounds


3*1.2 points per possession = 3.6 more points a game


And 1.1 assist * 2.3 points per basket = 2.5 points



3.6 points + 2.5 points = 6.1 points








Those 6.1 points LeBron generates more than offsets Jordans 5.4 more points




6.1 points > 5.4 points










LeBron is a better playoff performer than Jordan

[Dray n Klay]

Oh and ClipperRevival, you want to conviniently forget that Jordan played in a playoffs with an average of 10% more possessions than the playoffs LeBron played in?








This further gives LeBron a statistical edge

[ClipperRevival]

What's your point? A rebound is a rebound regardless of the players size.


LeBron got 3 extra possessions for his team due to rebounds


3*1.2 points per possession = 3.6 more points a game


And 1.1 assist * 2.3 points per basket = 2.5 points



3.6 points + 2.5 points = 6.1 points








Those 6.1 points LeBron generates more than offsets Jordans 5.4 more points




6.1 points > 5.4 points










LeBron is a better playoff performer than Jordan

LOL.

[Dray n Klay]

LOL.

So you agree LeBron > MJ?


Finally you see the light.

[ClipperRevival]

Oh and ClipperRevival, you want to conviniently forget that Jordan played in a playoffs with an average of 10% more possessions than the playoffs LeBron played in?








This further gives LeBron a statistical edge

That's fine. You are obviously a youngster who never saw MJ play so you are convinced no one could've been better than LeBron. Keep thinking that way. I'm not going to waste any more time.

[Dray n Klay]

That's fine. You are obviously a youngster who never saw MJ play so you are convinced no one could've been better than LeBron. Keep thinking that way. I'm not going to waste any more time.

I'm an unbiased fan


I don't care about Jordan or LeBron









But if the stats say LeBron is better than Jordan, who am I to disagree?