Mates, how do you suppose Kobe and Carmelo differ as talents?

[Smoke117]

Kobe's best defensive years were during the 2000-02 3peat. At that time he was a bonfide first team all-defensive player, but in recent years he's been getting by on reputation. He's still capable of great defense, but he does it in spurts or when he's extra motivated( matched up against another elite perimeter player). Over the course of 82 games, he's certainly not a first team all-defense guard but in fairness, the guys who are better than him are really specialists and don't have to balance their energy on both ends of the court.

Dwyane Wade has been a better overall defensive player for a few years now, yet still Kobe was making all defensive 1st team. I don't recall Dwade being a defensive specialist.

[riseagainst]

Are you talking about Kobe now or what Kobe was during his prime? Cause if you are talking about Kobe in his prime like I am, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kobe in his prime averaged about 5-6 apg, and he could have averaged even more if he was more of a pass-first player. Kobe has always been about as skilled of a passer as Lebron was. The difference between the two was that Lebron was more willing of a passer.

So you cherry pick two series that conclude he wasn't a good defender? Are you even sure he was guarding either player? Kobe always guards Rondo and I haven't watched the 2004 Finals since the 2004 Finals so I don't remember if he was guarding Prince or Hamilton. Kobe has always been a great defender especially in the Shaq days. Years after though, Kobe showed that he still has great ability defensively but he just wasn't as consistent defensively. He was pretty consistent defensively in '06 and '08 from what I could recall and was alright in '09 as well.

Inefficient offensively? No, he is not inefficient at all especially if you look at his TS% which has always been in the 55-57% range which is very good. His FG% isn't really inefficient either, it is actually among the leauge average. It looks inefficient compared to Lebron and Jordan but it technically isn't inefficient.

So-so rebounder? No, Kobe has always been a great and capable rebounder. He always ups his rebounds in elimination games as well and I believe he averaged about 8 rpg in the '03 season when Shaq was out for those games.

Averaging about 6-7 rpg for a 6'6-6'7 SG is pretty good too.

great post.

[riseagainst]

Stopped reading here, mate. That's a troll comment.

really shows your close-mindedness. You obviously haven't watched prime Kobe being a distributor prior to him being 1st option.

[riseagainst]

See what I mean?


Bailed out by Fisher 5 times. Well, Horry a few as well.

And Artest.

And Ariza. And Gasol.




Clutch!

yeah Shaq got bailed out by Fisher and Horry. Shaq's so overrated. he isn't even top 20 all time. He rode Fisher and Horry's coketails for his 3peat.

[Dragonyeuw]

Dwyane Wade has been a better overall defensive player for a few years now, yet still Kobe was making all defensive 1st team. I don't recall Dwade being a defensive specialist.

I was thinking more in terms of someone like Tony Allen. Though yes, the last 2-3 seasons I would certainly give the nod to Wade over Kobe if I was picking between the two.

[riseagainst]

Dude, Kobe is not top 10 of all time.
Neither is Carmelo.
They both like to chuck. But Melo is better at converting the shots.
Kobe is lucky he plays for a franchise that is heavily supported by the commish.
Melo never had the luxury of playing with solid big men (no Amare is not on Shaq's or Gasol's level).
Melo is >>>> Kobe all time.

stopped reading at "TheBigVeto".

[JaggerCommaMick]

yeah Shaq got bailed out by Fisher and Horry. Shaq's so overrated. he isn't even top 20 all time. He rode Fisher and Horry's coketails for his 3peat.

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

[Vertical-24]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

You clearly have your mind set on what you believe so why make threads like these? You're not a productive poster at all. All you do is bash Kobe and when people actually give you any kind of insight, you brush it off completely and use your post to instead.....take a guess??? Yupp...bash Kobe. Why are you even on this forum?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

G.O.A.T. worst poster

[coin24]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

Goat f@ggot

Lame jagger joke is done aswell, was never funny...

[ThatCoolKid]

Okay, I understand why you seem so dull-witted in the same sex marriage thread. It's okay, psychosis is a serious impediment, I can't hold you to the same standards I hold other people. Hope you come back to reality soon.

[schism206]

I'm sorry but Kobe is light years beyond Melo, and I'm most definitely not a Kobe fan. First off, Kobe plays his ass off, and is a fierce competitor. I don't see that out of Melo... he has spurts of playing good D and intensity, I actually think he's a pretty good defender when he wants to be, but how often does he want to be?

Everyone always says 'Melo is the best pure scorer in the game. Honestly I think he's kind of one dimensional. All I ever see him do is pull up for a jumper, or wildly take it to the rack, which actually leads to a lot of offensive fouls. Kobe is much more skilled offensively and can beat you in so many ways. His biggest problem is he plays hero ball way too much.

I'd take Kobe on my team any day, at the stage in their careers now there's certainly a case for Melo due to age, but in their primes, Kobe hands down, without question.

[RRR3]

Kobe plays defense, is a better scorer, much better passer/playmaker...
Shoot, rebounding is close enough but Melo gets the edge there. Besides rebounding, though, I can't think of anything Melo is better at than Kobe.

[riseagainst]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

I think it's safe to say that your thread has failed.

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe plays defense, is a better scorer, much better passer/playmaker...
Shoot, rebounding is close enough but Melo gets the edge there. Besides rebounding, though, I can't think of anything Melo is better at than Kobe.

dont waste your rare non trolling posts on this ******s thread. save them for the good discussions