Dirk vs Kobe in elimination games

[LA_Showtime]

And yet you have a thread comparing him and Kobe, (made today) and numerous posters are saying things such as "Kobe is still the best player" or "Kobe is better than LeBron still" etc etc. When someone is rated as better than they truly are, is that not the definition of "overrated"?

I don't see why comparing Kobe and LeBron is overrating Kobe. They're both top 5 players, or at least LeBron is. Kobe's between 4-8 at this point.

[SCdac]

Feel like these stats tend to penalize players and teams for closing out teams early. Take 2001, for instance.. Lakers swept the Blazers, swept the Kings, swept the Spurs, and beat the 76ers in 5... Looking at the players who have the most "elimination games", Karl Malone, Dirk Nowitzki, etc, have also been a part of alot of losses... what are the W-L's on these games?

[DMAVS41]

Man.. this cat's mad after getting shitted on in the other threads.

I cannot be trolled sir.

I destroyed you in the other threads.....you completely did a 180 now with laughable reasons.

I'm not trolling. I created a legit thread comparing two of the best players of all time in elimination games.

1 player steps up and plays great.

1 player lays down and plays poorly.


I just find the results interesting because it was Dirk that was known as the guy that struggles with his back against the wall.....yet Dirk raises his level of play.....

When in reality its Kobe that is one of the worst elimination game players of the last 20 years.

But that is because Kobe is a front runner. If he doesn't have by far the most help or isn't up in the series, he's going to lay down. He's done it time and time again.

This stat is just further evidence of that.

[LA_Showtime]

And yet you still haven't answered my question: What is the record for both players in elimination games?

Oh, and don't act like you aren't trolling. You know exactly what you're doing.

[DMAVS41]

And yet you still haven't answered my question: What is the record for both players in elimination games?

Oh, and don't act like you aren't trolling. You know exactly what you're doing.

I have no idea. I don't know the relevance.....I would imagine the record for both Kobe and Dirk are very poor overall in elimination games.

[LA_Showtime]

I have no idea. I don't know the relevance.....I would imagine the record for both Kobe and Dirk are very poor overall in elimination games.

Are close out games a part of elimination games?

[DMAVS41]

Are close out games a part of elimination games?

I don't think so.

I just went through Dirk and only counted 18 elimination games. I probably missed 2.

In those 18 games, the Mavs were 9-9.

[LA_Showtime]

I don't think so.

I just went through Dirk and only counted 18 elimination games. I probably missed 2.

In those 18 games, the Mavs were 9-9.

I would definitely count close out games too. They're much of the same, unless you're looking to see whether player X is a frontrunner.

[DMAVS41]

I would definitely count close out games too. They're much of the same, unless you're looking to see whether player X is a frontrunner.

Not the same thing at all. Elimination games are totally different. They are win the game or your season is done.

Same thing? They could not be more different.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe was 6-5 until the elimination game this year.

He is now 6-6 from 01 to present in elimination games.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Not the same thing at all. Elimination games are totally different. They are win the game or your season is done.

Same thing? They could not be more different.

Close out games require far more cold blood that back against the wall games IMO. If you get to an elimination game the chances are you and your team have been overrun by the better team. While with the sh1t right there to close it out, you got what it takes, only choking will keep you away from winning.

[DMAVS41]

Close out games require far more cold blood that back against the wall games IMO.

I disagree.

I want the guy fighting for every last chance if a loss results in the season being over.

Close out games are totally different.

[-playmaker-]

Kobe > Dirk career wise

Dirk > Kobe RIGHT NOW

[creepingdeath]

Kobe > Dirk career wise

Dirk > Kobe RIGHT NOW

Yup. Dirk's been GREAT with his back against the wall. Yet Kobe has still 4 more rings. Doubtful he cares about his numbers in elimination games.

[Lucifer]

Kobe- 5 rings.
Dirk- 1.