Donald Trump vs. Fred Trump. Who was the better businessman?

[FillJackson]

He doesn't want to release his tax returns and the voters should hold that against him.

[NumberSix]

He doesn't want to release his tax returns and the voters should hold that against him.

What are you more concerned about? Trump not wanting to release his taxes or Hillary not wanting people to know what she said in her Wall Street speeches?

IMO, Trump doesn't want to release his taxes because he probably doesn't claim anything as personal income.

I remember people were praising Mark Zuckerberg because he only pays himself a salary of $1 per yer. Aka.... He doesn't pay any taxes. My guess is Trump does the same. All money is made by the Trump organization, which pays a lower corporate tax rate. All money and assets are owned by The Trump Organization which is owned by Trump. His kids probably don't claim any personal income either.

[Heilige]

Donald claimed to be a billionaire for decades when he was not.

A trust was setup well before the father's death.

An author had several experts look into his wealth for a 2005 book and they concluded he was worth around $200 million. Donald sued and under oath he admitted he made up stories about how much he was worth.

Donald Trump doesn't claim to successful. He claims to be singularly successful, better than anyone at what he does, just a spectacular, tremendous success, tremendously successful. I don't know if you met him, but Princess Diana and Madonna wanted to date him. They called his office asking for him, he was a tremendously successful dater as you know. Had the best casinos in the world, have you been? The Trump Taj Mahal? Spectacular. Tremendous. The Best.

He's a con man and a congenital liar.

Where did you get that number from? I bet it wasn't NBC.

He could shut up a lot of people by doing something very simple. Release his tax returns.

I think Fred was the better businessman but at the very least are you willing to admit Donald Trump is intelligent when it comes to real estate or business at all? I read that thing that Politico had with the 5 Trump biographers, very interesting! They said they thought Trump was good until after Trump Tower was built. From there, he did a lot of bad deals, etc. It just seems to me, maybe I'm mistaken, that you aren't willing to give Trump any credit towards whatever success he has achieved in his life.

Have you read any of those 5 books? If so, which ones are the best in your view?


Also, have you watched these videos. Trump comes across as intelligent to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_mfbjbAtYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx651fvHMPo

[DonDadda59]

What are you more concerned about? Trump not wanting to release his taxes or Hillary not wanting people to know what she said in her Wall Street speeches?

IMO, Trump doesn't want to release his taxes because he probably doesn't claim anything as personal income.

I remember people were praising Mark Zuckerberg because he only pays himself a salary of $1 per yer. Aka.... He doesn't pay any taxes. My guess is Trump does the same. All money is made by the Trump organization, which pays a lower corporate tax rate. All money and assets are owned by The Trump Organization which is owned by Trump. His kids probably don't claim any personal income either.

You can see like 3 of her speeches on youtube.

[FillJackson]

What are you more concerned about? Trump not wanting to release his taxes or Hillary not wanting people to know what she said in her Wall Street speeches?

The Hillary thing is an absolute nonissue and not a standard any other presidential candidate has been asked to do.

Every Presidential candidate since Nixon has released their tax returns, most have released multiple years returns like Clinton has. This is an expected standard and Trump wants to dodge it.

There is zero parallelism here.

[NumberSix]

The Hillary thing is an absolute nonissue and not a standard any other presidential candidate has been asked to do.

Every Presidential candidate since Nixon has released their tax returns, most have released multiple years returns like Clinton has. This is an expected standard and Trump wants to dodge it.

There is zero parallelism here.

There's no requirement to do either.

Why is it that you aren't interested in what she said to the people that are giving her millions of dollars? There's clearly something that will make her look bad. Her credibility has taken a hit from refusing to release the transcripts. She's not taking that hit because the transcripts will make her look too good.

I have no doubts that Trump is involved in massive tax dodging that will make him look bad. I also have no doubts that Hillary was pandering to Wall Street in a way that will look really bad.

[DonDadda59]

There's no requirement to do either.

Why is it that you aren't interested in what she said to the people that are giving her millions of dollars? There's clearly something that will make her look bad. Her credibility has taken a hit from refusing to release the transcripts. She's not taking that hit because the transcripts will make her look too good.

I have no doubts that Trump is involved in massive tax dodging that will make him look bad. I also have no doubts that Hillary was pandering to Wall Street in a way that will look really bad.

Hillary's Speech to Wall Street (Nasdaq)

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[nathanjizzle]

fred and its not even close. trump started his career with hundreds of millions in his lap and a practice to follow. his dad created the brand and foundation. this is not even a legit comparison.

[Trollsmasher]

Frederich Trump was the real pimp

[NumberSix]

fred and its not even close. trump started his career with hundreds of millions in his lap and a practice to follow. his dad created the brand and foundation. this is not even a legit comparison.

Repeatedly saying it won't make it true. Asking this is like asking "Who was a better player? Kobe or Jellybean Joe?"

[FillJackson]

There's no requirement to do either.

Which is why I said standard.

There is a standard that candidates release their taxes.
The release your speeches is just a way of making a candidate dance.

The speech is who are not paid by the quality of your speech. You are paid by social cachet you bring. You are worth more if the people in the audience can name drop a big name. Michael Lewis gets $100,000 a speech

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[NumberSix]

Which is why I said standard.

There is a standard that candidates release their taxes.
The release your speeches is just a way of making a candidate dance.

The speech is who are not paid by the quality of your speech. You are paid by social cachet you bring. You are worth more if the people in the audience can name drop a big name. Michael Lewis gets $100,000 a speech



It's a very big market. I know someone who books cooking events. You certainly pay more for someone who's been on The Food Network than a very good local chef who hasn't.

Do chefs who have been on the food network try to keep their speeches secret?

I'm not concerned with how much she got paid. I promise you, I couldn't care less. I'm not even really concerned with what she said. It's not like I think she was standing there saying "with your money, I will trick the voters and we will rule the world, mwuhahahahaha".


But, I do think she pandered to them to an embarrassing degree. Probably telling them shit like they're the true victims and that they don't get the appreciation and respect that they deserve. And that's fine too. I don't even care if she pandered to big financial interests. But she does. She knows she'll look super sleazy.

[Jailblazers7]

This article is a pretty good indication of him as a person and businessman.

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articl...ecord-on-deals