Why do Liberals despise the word....

[Dresta]

the difference is right there in the examples you give (or imply)

faith is resilient right up to the point that it isn't. it will endure until something comes along so personally cataclysmic as to rock its very foundation... and once that happens, its gone. hope doesn't have that kind of resolution, its just a sense of optimism that dwindles and fades over time if it fails to reveal itself in a reasonable amount of time. hence the difference in examples between belief in a religion/ideology and belief in a politician.

though like buddy said above, people confuse the two to the point that they're basically used interchangeably. that's the difference imo tho.


the better question is why the op is so obsessed with flaming fictional cardboard stereotypes that he thinks encompass like half the world but mostly only exist in his imagination

I never said there isn't a difference: i said they are similar. Many Obama supporters treated him like the 2nd coming of the messiah during his first election campaign, despite his campaign being virtually substance-less. They're pretty much the same but opposite of the religious bombaclarts who were proclaiming him the devil reincarnate.

[TheReturn]

Whereas believing some black dude with a nice voice that speaks like a preacher and chants 'yes we can' while proclaiming a 'new dawn' has come and espousing a 'timeless creed' and declaring that 'change has come' - believing that this guy is gonna solve all your problems and putting your faith in him (and for many, it was clearly faith) - that isn't a worthy comparison.

Hey at least Obama's real.

[Dresta]

The fact that they tend to be discussed together doesn't equate to similarity. Having "faith" that Santa is real isn't the same as "hoping" that he's real. They are very distinctly different. What you described isn't "faith"; it's conflation.

faith: 'complete trust or confidence in someone or something'

Sounds like the saps at Obama rallies to me. They had faith in him, called it hope, and pretended it was different.

[Dresta]

Hey at least Obama's real.

He is, but the fatuous ideal that he represented certainly isn't.

[greymatter]

You're right though, OldSkoolBall, about most liberals being afraid to say anything bad about Islam. A lot of them will even praise the religion because they're afraid they will be seen as racist if they come off as anti-Islam. I personally trash Islam all the time, as to me it is clearly the worst religion currently.

Islam is no worse than Judaism or Christianity as a religion. The difference is in the quality of their followers. Going that route, Muslims have a lot more bad apples. That goes without saying. Almost every country that is officially a theocracy is a shithole.

Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. Yup, all shitholes.