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Old 12-26-2017, 06:57 PM   #91
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you didnt even look at the answer to your question lol...poor habits from many generations of abuse is the answer to your question.


Excellent. So then poor habits is the answer to my question. The reason for the poor habits is immaterial. The answer is poor habits.

After all, it CAN'T be discrimination, because for hundreds of years the north has been more tolerant than the south, right? The opportunity for blacks has been there. Northern politicians run on platforms of tolerance, so that means the people who vote for them are tolerance. They don't discriminate. Just like people who vote for politicians that vote against abortion, never have abortions. You and the rest of Big Blue are as racially progressive as the south is chaste.



So we know that. But my question remains: Why are people with poor habits STILL poor, EVEN in wealthy cities and states that pride themselves on their socialist leanings?

Isn't socialism supposed to prevent people from being poor? Why do their 'habits' even matter?

Blue states are tolerant, AND socialist.

How can so many minorities there be poor?

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Old 12-26-2017, 07:47 PM   #92
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Thats because those states... have wealth lmao. Its hard to have a wealth gap in red states where theres no wealth or top tier job sectors...just very small sectors of old money and mass poverty. MA actually has the the best rated public schools, universities, healthcare out of any state in the country. They were also the pioneers or Obamacare (ahem.. republican romneycare) which features an individual mandate and the healthiest market in the USA.


But yea... we should run things the way the old rich white guys from Alabama do it...LOL
How can you be so deluded? Blaming everything wrong with this shitty country on "muh white southerners who iz ignorant and raciss". Here are some facts for you regarding the most and least violent cities in the country (which is far more important for quality of life than anything else).

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43158398/n.../#.WkLQuLSMgWo (10 most violent cities)

1. Flint, Michigan: 57% black
2. Detroit, Michigan: 83% black
3. St. Louis, Missouri: 47% black
4. New Haven, Conn: 36% black (" Non-Hispanic Whites were 31.8% of the population in 2010,[59] down from 69.6% in 1970.[60]")
5. Memphis, Ten: 63% black
6. Oakland, Cali: 27% black ("Black people remain the single largest ethnic group at 27.3 percent of the population, just slightly greater than the white and Hispanic populations, which are 25.9 and 25.4 percent of the population respectively"--quite the Brazil)
7. Little Rock, Ark: 42% black
8. Baltimore, Maryland: 63% black
9. Rockford, Illinois: only 21% black!! (but then this doesn't fit your narrative either, because it is a northern city with ignorant criminal whites)
10. Stockton, Cali (pretty much same as above, but whites only 37% of population--quite the multicultural/multiracial paradise).

But yeah, it's all the bad "ignorant" South that is why so many of your cities look like the third world (oh wait, maybe it's because they have third world demographics, shocker).

And the safest cities in America:

1. Naperville, Illinois: 5% black, 91+% white and asian
2. Thousand Oaks, Cali: 1.3% black (lol)
3. Glendale, Cali: 1.6% black
4. Round Rock, Texas: 9% black
5. Orange, Cali: 1.6% black
6. Ann Arbor, Mich: 7% black
7. Sunnyvale, Cali: 2% black
8. Port St. Lucie, FL: 17% black (notice how the one's where blacks live decently are in the South)
9. Fort Collins, CO: 3% black
10. Torrance, Cali: 2.7% black
11. Santa Clara, Cali: 3.5% black

I wonder if there's any kind of trend here. I wonder if you're proving what an irrational bigot you are in trying to blame a section of the country for things that have nothing to do with them by any statistical measure. It's ****ing hilarious how you rail on southern people who were forcefully integrated and live mostly alongside blacks, while the States you worship are living in de facto segregated parts of the country and completely avoiding one another. Pathetic. Look how ****ing segregated that liberal paradise California is! What disgusting hypocrisy.

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They live even worse in the south... its literally like immediate post-civil war times in a lot of areas down south for them. Same shacks, same poverty. Theres a reason they fled north.
More garbage from you. Educated blacks are actually migrating away from the North and to the South, and have been doing so for decades:

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College graduates and middle-class migrants make up a major portion of the new migration. For instance, from 19652000, the states of Florida, Georgia, and Texas attracted the most black college graduates. The only state outside the former Confederacy that attracted a sizeable migration of black college graduates was Maryland, most of the population growth being in the counties surrounding Washington, D.C. In that same period, California was a net loser of black migration for the first time in three decades. While the migration is still in progress, much data is from this 35-year period

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Great_Migration

Maryland, btw, was a southern State that would have joined the Confederacy had Lincoln not declared martial law and prevented it (look up their State song). Sorry brah, but facts and reality don't accord with your media-fed fantasies. I'd much prefer to live in the American South than in a those disgusting and artificial urban wastelands in the North, where blacks live in poverty and filth and the worst kinds of criminality, while self-satisfied smug liberal white bellends live in their gated communities (or cities) pretending that there isn't a complete other world only on the other side of their picket fences.

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The funniest thing to me is how everybody complains about states like NJ, CA, NY, MA etc. being "failed states" in debt hellholes etc. yet these states make up the economic backbone of this country. Even in Texas, the cities are blue...the money everywhere...is BLUE. If you got rid of every blue state and city what you would be left with is a 3rd world country of rural poverty... all hell would break loose to survive. Your welcome.
Oh yeah, large and densely packed cities that buy and sell superfluities are definitely "the backbone" of the nation. Everything would go completely to shit if it weren't for Wall St. speculators and California Tech companies--what would people do? All those people who could produce their own food and live self-sustainable lifestyles, well, their lives would be over because they couldn't view Netflix and make bank buying and selling property.
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Old 12-26-2017, 08:23 PM   #93
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How can you be so deluded? Blaming everything wrong with this shitty country on "muh white southerners who iz ignorant and raciss". Here are some facts for you regarding the most and least violent cities in the country (which is far more important for quality of life than anything else).

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43158398/n.../#.WkLQuLSMgWo (10 most violent cities)

1. Flint, Michigan: 57% black
2. Detroit, Michigan: 83% black
3. St. Louis, Missouri: 47% black
4. New Haven, Conn: 36% black (" Non-Hispanic Whites were 31.8% of the population in 2010,[59] down from 69.6% in 1970.[60]")
5. Memphis, Ten: 63% black
6. Oakland, Cali: 27% black ("Black people remain the single largest ethnic group at 27.3 percent of the population, just slightly greater than the white and Hispanic populations, which are 25.9 and 25.4 percent of the population respectively"--quite the Brazil)
7. Little Rock, Ark: 42% black
8. Baltimore, Maryland: 63% black
9. Rockford, Illinois: only 21% black!! (but then this doesn't fit your narrative either, because it is a northern city with ignorant criminal whites)
10. Stockton, Cali (pretty much same as above, but whites only 37% of population--quite the multicultural/multiracial paradise).

But yeah, it's all the bad "ignorant" South that is why so many of your cities look like the third world (oh wait, maybe it's because they have third world demographics, shocker).

And the safest cities in America:

1. Naperville, Illinois: 5% black, 91+% white and asian
2. Thousand Oaks, Cali: 1.3% black (lol)
3. Glendale, Cali: 1.6% black
4. Round Rock, Texas: 9% black
5. Orange, Cali: 1.6% black
6. Ann Arbor, Mich: 7% black
7. Sunnyvale, Cali: 2% black
8. Port St. Lucie, FL: 17% black (notice how the one's where blacks live decently are in the South)
9. Fort Collins, CO: 3% black
10. Torrance, Cali: 2.7% black
11. Santa Clara, Cali: 3.5% black

I wonder if there's any kind of trend here. I wonder if you're proving what an irrational bigot you are in trying to blame a section of the country for things that have nothing to do with them by any statistical measure. It's ****ing hilarious how you rail on southern people who were forcefully integrated and live mostly alongside blacks, while the States you worship are living in de facto segregated parts of the country and completely avoiding one another. Pathetic. Look how ****ing segregated that liberal paradise California is! What disgusting hypocrisy.


More garbage from you. Educated blacks are actually migrating away from the North and to the South, and have been doing so for decades:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Great_Migration

Maryland, btw, was a southern State that would have joined the Confederacy had Lincoln not declared martial law and prevented it (look up their State song). Sorry brah, but facts and reality don't accord with your media-fed fantasies. I'd much prefer to live in the American South than in a those disgusting and artificial urban wastelands in the North, where blacks live in poverty and filth and the worst kinds of criminality, while self-satisfied smug liberal white bellends live in their gated communities (or cities) pretending that there isn't a complete other world only on the other side of their picket fences.


Oh yeah, large and densely packed cities that buy and sell superfluities are definitely "the backbone" of the nation. Everything would go completely to shit if it weren't for Wall St. speculators and California Tech companies--what would people do? All those people who could produce their own food and live self-sustainable lifestyles, well, their lives would be over because they couldn't view Netflix and make bank buying and selling property.
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Old 12-26-2017, 09:13 PM   #94
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3. Glendale, Cali: 1.6% black

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Old 12-26-2017, 09:30 PM   #95
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rip tpols .. damn that was brutal
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Old 12-27-2017, 02:21 AM   #96
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Congratulations! You win the award for dumbest post of the year! Got it in just in time!

That's not an argument.
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:52 AM   #97
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For someone that acts condescending, you sure are ignorant.

But then again, you are a hypocrite.

Do explain. I am still waiting.
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:25 AM   #98
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Do explain. I am still waiting.

So you are not aware of any group that committed Genocide against three groups that has a "news outlet," which, you, and other, Lefties continually support?

Like I said, for someone so condescending, your level of ignorance is quite astonishing.
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Excellent. So then poor habits is the answer to my question. The reason for the poor habits is immaterial. The answer is poor habits.


Yes...that is your answer but the reason matters too. Nothin wrong with looking for causes of problems... thats how you avoid repeating them in the future.


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So we know that. But my question remains: Why are people with poor habits STILL poor, EVEN in wealthy cities and states that pride themselves on their socialist leanings?


Is this a serious question? They are provided for with housing, medical access (Medicaid), cards for food, and even straight disposable income (welfare). None of that will make you rich on your own at all and theyre not going to be handed enough money to be rich... just enough to have somewhere to live, something to eat, someone to see if they get sick, etc basic building blocks of life that once you have down you can focus on bettering yourself. Educating yourself, finding a career, taking care of family with it those all stem from good habits. If you dont have the habits you'll be stuck on a lower rung treadmill the whole way.






@ Dresta... Nobody measures quality of life by murder rates in a handful of cities that represent a very small fraction of what occurs in the entire states. Quality of life all around the world is measured by education quality, economic opportunity, health status, family life etc and Democratic states sweep republican states across the board. Better lower age educations, better universities, better medical facilities and insurance markets, much better health / less Obesity... its a sweep. And yes they also provide the economic backbone that makes this country so powerful... funds the military and basically makes us the world superpower. If USA only had GDP from red states they would be a shadow of the presence they currently are. A 3rd world country too with GOP policy... they dont offer any of the social safety nets that normal developed, civil societies offer. Only FREEDOM baby!
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Yet the fastest growing states are in the South. People move here for a reason.

Tax policies.

Thats why people are running from New York, Illinois, and California, and moving to red states, like Texas and Florida.

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Old 12-27-2017, 11:47 AM   #102
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Is this a serious question? They are provided for with housing, medical access (Medicaid), cards for food, and even straight disposable income (welfare). None of that will make you rich on your own at all and theyre not going to be handed enough money to be rich... just enough to have somewhere to live, something to eat, someone to see if they get sick, etc basic building blocks of life that once you have down you can focus on bettering yourself. Educating yourself, finding a career, taking care of family with it those all stem from good habits. If you dont have the habits you'll be stuck on a lower rung treadmill the whole way.


So which Democratic policies do you believe are instilling good habits?

Lower admission standards? (affirmative action)

More government jobs? (Few necessary qualifications, nearly impossible to get fired from)

Less consequences for criminals?

More free money for having children?



How do you see poor people magically developing better habits? Things don't just happen like that on large scales because you 'want them to.' We're talking about huge populations with long-instilled norms and values.

Usually there has to be some kind of impetus, right? Like, survival. When immigrants came here with nothing, they used to have to bust their ass to survive. And most of them did hard ass shit that gave them arthritis by the time they were 45. But they passed those habits and values onto their kids, and over time their children turned survival habits into prosperity.

Yall are just babysitting poor minorities. Every time a few people in society earn something new, you demand it be given away free to everyone else, or else racism. What kind of habits will that instill?

Blacks especially got dealt an absolutely awful hand in America, through no fault of their own. But what you're doing is not going to help them in the long run. Especially combined with bringing illegals in to take away solid blue collar jobs from them. You're being conned by promises of getting your "tolerance badge" and you aren't looking at the realities and truths of the matter, which arent always rosey and fair to everyone.

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So which Democratic policies do you believe are instilling good habits?

Lower admission standards? (affirmative action)

More government jobs? (Few necessary qualifications, nearly impossible to get fired from)

Less consequences for criminals?

More free money for having children?



How do you see poor people magically developing better habits? Things don't just happen like that on large scales because you 'want them to.' We're talking about huge populations with long-instilled norms and values.

Usually there has to be some kind of impetus, right? Like, survival. When immigrants came here with nothing, they used to have to bust their ass to survive. And most of them did hard ass shit that gave them arthritis by the time they were 45. But they passed those habits and values onto their kids, and over time their children turned survival habits into prosperity.

Yall are just babysitting poor minorities. Every time a few people in society earn something new, you demand it be given away free to everyone else, or else racism.

Blacks especially got dealt an absolutely awful hand in America, through no fault of their own. But what you're doing is not going to help them in the long run. Especially combined with bringing illegals in to take away solid blue collar jobs from them. You're being conned by promises of getting your "tolerance badge" and you aren't looking at the realities and truths of the matter, which arent always rosey and fair to everyone.


First off... its not just black people that recieve those benefits. White people throughout red states are flooded with it. Look at Stalker in Florida....there are many many Stalkers out there.


Second off yea you could get rid of all that stuff and tell them to all fend for themselves...but there will be a lot of violence that comes from that. Do you know what NYC and the big cities were like 100 years ago? 150 years ago? They were violent, dirty hellholes. Turns out when youre starving and have nowhere to go, you look to rob steal and hurt everybody around you to "survive".

And i agree too much of that hurts motivation but just flat out canceling it is going to welcome a whole new host of problems... there are no black and white solutions. (no pun intended )
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First off... its not just black people that recieve those benefits. White people throughout red states are flooded with it. Look at Stalker in Florida....there are many many Stalkers out there.


Second off yea you could get rid of all that stuff and tell them to all fend for themselves...but there will be a lot of violence that comes from that. Do you know what NYC and the big cities were like 100 years ago? 150 years ago? They were violent, dirty hellholes. Turns out when youre starving and have nowhere to go, you look to rob steal and hurt everybody around you to "survive".

And i agree too much of that hurts motivation but just flat out canceling it is going to welcome a whole new host of problems... there are no black and white solutions. (no pun intended )

It doesn't need to be canceled. It needs to be regulated.

As in, you dont get $X amount of money to buy groceries once a month. Instead, you get food based on dependents. You have one child? Two loaves of bread. You've got two? Three loaves of bread.

No more carte blanche when it comes to picking out your food. No junk food. No snacks. No soda. No fatty food.

We don't need to prevent people from receiving welfare, but we do need to eliminate the fraud while at the same time, we need to make it to where people desire to get off of welfare.

Right now, they really don't. And why would they want to? But if you're going to be on welfare, you're going to be eating sandwiches with deli meat, fruit, vegetables, and water/milk. Nobody NEEDS anything beyond that.
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It doesn't need to be canceled. It needs to be regulated.

As in, you dont get $X amount of money to buy groceries once a month. Instead, you get food based on dependents. You have one child? Two loaves of bread. You've got two? Three loaves of bread.

No more carte blanche when it comes to picking out your food. No junk food. No snacks. No soda. No fatty food.

We don't need to prevent people from receiving welfare, but we do need to eliminate the fraud while at the same time, we need to make it to where people desire to get off of welfare.

Right now, they really don't. And why would they want to? But if you're going to be on welfare, you're going to be eating sandwiches with deli meat, fruit, vegetables, and water/milk. Nobody NEEDS anything beyond that.


see .... you preach freedom and de-regulation all the time... but now you want to ration only bread loaves and some salted meats to families like were living in soviet russia. This really flies in the face of your whole mantra around here about "freedom". I specifically remember conservatives going ape shit about michelle obama trying to ban bad foods from cafeterias... you think you're going to get all those republcans down south to eat such a limited diet away from all the fried junk theyve been eating their whole lives? Then there will REALLY be cries about socialism lol. That would actually cause an all out riot.
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