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Old 03-26-2009, 01:12 PM   #1
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PLANO, Texas -- A Dallas police officer who delayed Houston Texans' running back Ryan Moats from visiting his mother-in-law before she died in a Plano hospital has been reassigned to dispatch pending an investigation.

Moats, his wife and other family members rushed from their suburban Dallas home to Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano during the early hours of March 18 after getting word around midnight that Moats' mother-in-law, Jonetta Collinsworth, was dying. She had breast cancer.

According to Dallas-area media reports, Moats' vehicle, which rolled through a red light, was stopped by Officer Robert Powell in the hospital's parking lot.

Powell kept Moats and another family member for 13 minutes, threatening Moats with arrest and lecturing him. By the time Moats was released and entered the hospital, Jonetta Collinsworth had died.

Dallas-Fort Worth television station WFAA-TV also obtained dashboard video from inside Powell's cruiser, detailing the exchange in which Powell threatened Moats with arrest.

When the car was pulled over, Moats' wife, Tamishia Moats, and her great aunt got out of the car to get into the hospital.

"Get in there!" Powell said, according to the Dallas Morning News' account of the footage. "Let me see your hands!"

"My mom is dying," Tamishia Moats replied. She and her great aunt ignored the officer and headed into the hospital, while Ryan Moats and another family member stayed behind, according to the report.

"I waited until no traffic was coming," Moats told Powell, explaining why he had rolled through the red light. "I got seconds before she's gone, man," he said, the newspaper reported.

Powell demanded his license, which Moats produced, and proof of insurance, which Moats could not find. "Just give me a ticket or whatever," Moats said, his frustration beginning to show, according to the report.

"Shut your mouth," Powell told him, the newspaper reported. "You can cooperate and settle down, or I can just take you to jail for running a red light."

In another exchange reported by the Morning News, Moats again asked the officer to complete the traffic stop quickly.

"If you're going to give me a ticket, give me a ticket," Moats said.

"Your attitude says that you need one," Powell replied.

"All I'm asking you is just to hurry up," Moats added.

"If you want to keep this going, I'll just put you in handcuffs," the officer said, "and I'll take you to jail for running a red light."

Powell continued on, making several more points, and Moats replied "Yes sir" to each.

"Understand what I can do," Powell said, according to the report. "I can tow your truck. I can charge you with fleeing. I can make your night very difficult."

"I understand," Moats responded. "I hope you'll be a great person and not do that."

Hospital security guards then arrived and told Powell that the Moatses' relative really was upstairs dying, the newspaper reported. But Powell spent several minutes inside his squad car, checking Moats for outstanding warrants. He found none.

Another hospital staff member emerged from the hospital and spoke with a Plano police officer who had arrived on the scene. "Hey, that's the nurse," the Plano officer told Powell, according to the Morning News. "She said that the mom's dying right now, and she's wanting to know if they can get him up there before she dies."

"All right," Powell replied, according to the report. "I'm almost done."

As Moats signed the ticket, Powell made another point.

"Attitude's everything," he said, the newspaper reported. "All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go."


What a heartless POS. He should have lost his job.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:28 PM   #2
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What a heartless POS. He should have lost his job.

Before anyone defends the cop, watch the video..there is a link to it somewhere...its horrible.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:32 PM   #3
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I read that...

unfortunately, that reaction is common by police Ive encountered..... They sometimes escalate the situation and make it lot worse than it needs to be...

he could have verified whether moats was lying or not, but he was too lazy and decided instead to play tough guy like too many cops do....
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:43 PM   #4
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Should be fired on the spot.
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:04 PM   #5
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Horrible.

Its stuff like this that when a cop gets killed or harmed people cheer, celebrate, taunt and think its cool. I in no way think this mentality should be present in folks (just my opinion) but I can see where it stems from. This is just another thing that makes people in the community lose faith in the authority. If cops want to get more respect and form some sort of bond with the people they protect? They gotta start giving back and I dont mean turkeys for Thanksgiving. This was uncalled for and that cop could have been sympathetic to the situation. If not sympathetic handled it much better.

Give him a warning and let him go inside. Not like he was pulling a fast one, trying to make you look stupid or anything. I wonder if he feels like shyt or he doesnt care and thinks he is being treated wrong. Got some a-holes like that.
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:10 PM   #6
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You can understand the cops' skepticism though, everyone that's currently locked up is "innocent", and that includes many of my friends and family. Alotta people will try to talk their way outta gettin in trouble, and he probably assumed that it was another story to get out of a ticket. At the point where hospital security and a nurse came down there should have been not a second more of talking though, let the man go about his business. If you really wanna give him a ticket, you finish writing it and leave it on his car or at the hospital desk, but let him do what he has to do.
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:12 PM   #7
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"Attitude's everything," he said, the newspaper reported. "All you had to do is stop, tell me what was going on. More than likely, I would have let you go."

The above is the worst part, in my opinion. After the whole ordeal he trys to make it sound like Moats was trying to pull a fast one when in fact he did exactly what the officer asked of him.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:21 PM   #8
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The above is the worst part, in my opinion. After the whole ordeal he trys to make it sound like Moats was trying to pull a fast one when in fact he did exactly what the officer asked of him.

Ryan Moats handled himself exceptionally under the circumstances & I feel like the Cop is a collossal D**K, but if I were Moats I would have stopped (if possible) before I got to the hospital & not before I made my destination perhaps . A decent Cop may even have escorted me out of courtesy & for proof of where I was going.
Because I already know if I don't stop it may be an unnecessary scene like the one that unfolded with an arrogant Cop.


That being said I believe Moats handled the entire situation great/respectfully & agree with the Police Chief who was very upset & had to restrain his comments about his Cops behavior.
The Cop got what he deserved.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:27 PM   #9
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Ryan Moats handled himself exceptionally under the circumstances & I feel like the Cop is a collossal D**K, but if I were Moats I would have stopped (if possible) before I got to the hospital & not before I made my destination perhaps . A decent Cop may even have escorted me out of courtesy & for proof of where I was going..


I'm lost. Why would you stop before you got to the hospitol? If anything that makes it look even more suspect that you could be lying/pulling a fast one for running a red light. Actually driving to your destination is better. Sorry.
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I'm lost. Why would you stop before you got to the hospitol? If anything that makes it look even more suspect that you could be lying/pulling a fast one for running a red light. Actually driving to your destination is better. Sorry.

Wasn't better for Ryan Moats was it? Cops can be collossal jerks & I know if I don't pull over when they ask me to(or refuse their commands no matter how legitimate my excuse) they become even bigger jerks.

Not looking for an argument. The Cop was a jerk & I even stated that Moats acted/handled himself beyond exceptionally under the circumstances
(Me) I would have stopped & taken the 30 seconds(the same time it would have taken me to explain it at the hospital) to explain what I was up to & he could have been welcome to follow & even escort me through traffic perhaps..
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Wasn't better for Ryan Moats was it? Cops can be collossal jerks & I know if I don't pull over when they ask me to(or refuse their commands no matter how legitimate my excuse) they become even bigger jerks.

Not looking for an argument. The Cop was a jerk & I even stated that Moats acted/handled himself beyond exceptionally under the circumstances
(Me) I would have stopped & taken the 30 seconds(the same time it would have taken me to explain it at the hospital) to explain what I was up to & he could have been welcome to follow & even escort me through traffic perhaps..

It wasnt better? No matter where Ryan stopped it wouldnt have been better with that cop. You already acknowledged dude was a jerk. You acknowledged cops can be bigtime jerks. Yet somehow thier JERK factor is eliminated if Ryan pulled over before getting to the hospital? How does that make sense. Let me walk you thru this.

Ryan pulls over at hospital parking lot and explains his reasoning for running that red light. Cop is a jerk.

Ryan pulls over before he gets to the hospitol and explains his reasoning for running that red light. Cop isnt a jerk and actually gives him an escort.

I'm sorry but that is stupid.

Cops jerk factor is determined by how far away the intended destination of the driver is huh? Regardless of the outcome the best thing for Ryan to have done was be at that hospital and explain his story vs your suggestion. It just turns out the cop was a bigtime a-hole and would have been no matter where Ryan pulled over. Soon as he ran that light he could have pulled over and the cop would have acted the same.
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It wasnt better? No matter where Ryan stopped it wouldnt have been better with that cop. You already acknowledged dude was a jerk. You acknowledged cops can be bigtime jerks. Yet somehow thier JERK factor is eliminated if Ryan pulled over before getting to the hospital? How does that make sense. Let me walk you thru this.

Ryan pulls over at hospital parking lot and explains his reasoning for running that red light. Cop is a jerk.

Ryan pulls over before he gets to the hospitol and explains his reasoning for running that red light. Cop isnt a jerk and actually gives him an escort.

I'm sorry but that is stupid.

Cops jerk factor is determined by how far away the intended destination of the driver is huh? Regardless of the outcome the best thing for Ryan to have done was be at that hospital and explain his story vs your suggestion. It just turns out the cop was a bigtime a-hole and would have been no matter where Ryan pulled over. Soon as he ran that light he could have pulled over and the cop would have acted the same.

Last response because I know some are not interesting in simple discussion ,but childish name calling.

Cops can be jerks ESPECIALLY when you disobey their commands( no matter how legitimate your excuse is).You try disobeying Cops someday & tell us how it turned out. The arrogant Cop was upset because the guy didn't pull over when he asked him to & decided to be a jerk.

When people don't pull over when cops ask them to ,or disobey their commands,(no matter how legitimate the excuse) they become agitated/upset/suspect/fearful/etc.......
Moats was not in the wrong dude. Take the argument someplace else.

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I never said Moats was wrong. Not the argument here. The argument is you think had Ryan pulled over earlier it would have been more beneficial and the cop probably would have been less of a jerk. I'm saying it doesnt matter. The guy was going to be a prick no matter what. You think otherwise.
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I just saw the video. It was pretty bad.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:17 PM   #15
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I never said Moats was wrong. Not the argument here. The argument is you think had Ryan pulled over earlier it would have been more beneficial and the cop probably would have been less of a jerk. I'm saying it doesnt matter. The guy was going to be a prick no matter what. You think otherwise.

Point well taken. But you & everyone on this forum will agree that if you don't pull over when asked ,or comply when asked,(no matter how legitimate your exlapnantion) Cops get agitated/upset/fearful(in other words they can become even bigger *******s).

If it were my injured/ill daughter,nephew, niece,etc... in the car I doubt if I would have stopped either I'm not blaming Moats(who showed exemplary restraint)
just saying in this instance I would have briefly stopped(15-20 seconds?) & told him what I was doing.

Same thing happeed to my mother when she was pregnant & my uncle sped down a one way street & was stopped by a COP. He simply followed/escorted them the remaing two miles or so to the Hospital & saw that my mother was pregnant & didn't bother write a ticket.

I always thought that Cops were required to escort people if there were an 'emergency'?
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