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Old 03-10-2013, 10:50 PM   #1
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Default Best Defensive Championship Teams Over the Past 20 Years

Top 5 or Top 10, I'm curious to see who makes your list and what year.


Oh, and who would you say was lowest ranked defensive team that won the chip.

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Old 03-10-2013, 10:58 PM   #2
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Default Re: Best Defensive Championship Teams Over the Past 20 Years

2008 Celtics and 2004 Pistons will be mentioned near the top along with multiple Bulls team. For me the Celtics have played some of the best team defense I've ever seen over the last few years but the late 90's Bulls had some of the best individual/versatile defenders the league has seen
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:00 PM   #3
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2004 Pistons.

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Old 03-10-2013, 11:22 PM   #4
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2004 Pistons, 2008 Celtics, All the Spurs title teams, 2000 Lakers and the second 3-peat Bulls are the best.


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lowest ranked defensive team that won the chip.

1995 Rockets easily. Their only competition in the regular season is the 2001 Lakers, but they played insanely great on defense in the playoffs. In the playoffs, the 2001 Lakers were the best defensive team by 3 points in the post-season, which is a massive margin. http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../NBA_2001.html In this case it is fair to brush aside the regular season because the '01 Lakers really did turn on the light switch in the post-season.

By contrast the '95 Rockets were mediocre in the playoffs and regular season.

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Old 03-10-2013, 11:23 PM   #5
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2004 Pistons, 2008 Celtics, All the Spurs title teams, 2000 Lakers and the second 3-peat Bulls.
This except maybe take out 00 Lakers. Everyone had Portland winning it all that season.

The 96 Bulls never had a mismatch problem on the court, with their defensive unit consisting of

jordan (guards 3 positions)
Pippen (4 positions)
Rodman (legit can guard 5 positions, didn't call him the worm for nothing)
Harper (3 positions)

so right out the backcourt you have two players in jordan and harper who can shut down the entire wing and backcourt, and then Rodman who can and did shut down legit centers like Shaq in the playoffs and then obviously pippen who as a roamer could perform some of the most creative steal and transition plays I've ever seen (along with MJ in the backcourt).

With the Bulls not only did you have 4 defensive juggernauts in harper, rodman, pippen and jordan but you also had 2 offensive juggernauts in pippen and jordan who were just monsters in transition.

That conglomeration of defensive and offensive power imo will be the best team of all time and their record proves it.

Essentially the 96 Bulls had the best mesh of talent ever along with the undisputed GOAT coach, player, #2 option player as well as defender(s) in Jordan, Rodman and some would even argue Pippen. Unstoppable.

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Old 03-10-2013, 11:25 PM   #6
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Default Re: Best Defensive Championship Teams Over the Past 20 Years

Busy atm so I can't elaborate all that much, but here's how my current system views the last 20 champions defensively (regular season):

Best
08 BOS (-3.2 / -0.5)
05 SAS (-2.6 / -0.8)
07 SAS (-2.2 / -0.9)
04 DET (-2.2 / -1.1)
99 SAS (-2.1 / -0.1)
96 CHI (-2.1 / -0.3)
00 LAL (-1.9 / 0.0)
94 HOU (-1.5 / 0.0)
98 CHI (-1.5 / -0.7)
12 MIA (-1.4 / 0.0)
03 SAS (-1.4 / -0.5)
10 LAL (-1.3 / 0.0)
97 CHI (-1.2 / 0.0)
09 LAL (-1.1 / 0.9)
02 LAL (-1.0 / 0.8)
11 DAL (-0.7 / -0.3)
93 CHI (-0.7 / -2.0)
06 MIA (-0.5 / 0.5)
95 HOU (-0.3 / 0.5)
01 LAL (0.6 / 0.2)
Worst

The numbers in parentheses are defense/pace relative to league average (# of SD's from league mean). I sorted them in terms of regular season defense, so three factors need to be be taken into consideration when making adjustments:

1) Improvement/regression in the postseason
2) Strength of offenses faced in the postseason
3) Rewarding/penalizing teams for maintaining defensive efficiency while playing more/fewer possessions per game

Everybody weights those three differently, so I'll let you guys do so on your own. Offhand, I think Detroit would be my #1 though, followed by the lockout season Spurs and Boston.

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Old 03-10-2013, 11:35 PM   #7
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What about dem 99 Spurs?

I remember a shot at the basket against that team was almost impossible to get.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:37 PM   #8
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Busy atm so I can't elaborate all that much, but here's how current system views the last 20 champions defensively (regular season):

Best
08 BOS (-3.2 / -0.5)
05 SAS (-2.6 / -0.8)
07 SAS (-2.2 / -0.9)
04 DET (-2.2 / -1.1)
99 SAS (-2.1 / -0.1)
96 CHI (-2.1 / -0.3)
00 LAL (-1.9 / 0.0)
94 HOU (-1.5 / 0.0)
98 CHI (-1.5 / -0.7)
12 MIA (-1.4 / 0.0)
03 SAS (-1.4 / -0.5)
10 LAL (-1.3 / 0.0)
97 CHI (-1.2 / 0.0)
09 LAL (-1.1 / 0.9)
02 LAL (-1.0 / 0.8)
11 DAL (-0.7 / -0.3)
93 CHI (-0.7 / -2.0)
06 MIA (-0.5 / 0.5)
95 HOU (-0.3 / 0.5)
01 LAL (0.6 / 0.2)
Worst

The numbers in parentheses are defense/pace relative to league average (# of SD's from league mean). I sorted them in terms of regular season defense, so three factors need to be be taken into consideration when making adjustments:

1) Improvement/regression in the postseason
2) Strength of offenses faced in the postseason
3) Rewarding/penalizing teams for maintaining defensive efficiency while playing more/fewer possessions per game

Everybody weights those three differently, so I'll let you guys do so on your own. Offhand, I think Detroit would be my #1 though, followed by the lockout season Spurs and Boston.
Not even going to begin and try to understand this insanity. Where the hell did you get your numbers and wtf are they measured on. It literally looks like you made a bunch of arbitrary numbers up.

See this is exactly why I seriously hate john hollinger and henry abbott. Don't see how you can whack off that much to numbers all day that are pointless.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:44 PM   #9
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Default Re: Best Defensive Championship Teams Over the Past 20 Years

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Not even going to begin and try to understand this insanity. Where the hell did you get your numbers and wtf are they measured on. It literally looks like you made a bunch of arbitrary numbers up.

See this is exactly why I seriously hate john hollinger and henry abbott. Don't see how you can whack off that much to numbers all day that are pointless.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...owsperpage=250

The values in the parentheses come from columns J and M respectively (click the drop-down menu to change the season). The numbers are the adjusted z-scores (number of standard deviations from the mean, lower is better for defense; these are relative to the rest of the teams, and mean/SD are calculated without the team in question...if you want standard z-scores, use columns I and L instead) of DRtg and Pace.

No need for you to be hostile, though. I haven't dealt with you on this board before so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. However, if this is par for the course with you, please don't respond to my posts in the future (feel free to put me on your ignore list).
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:14 AM   #10
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In no real order:

1. 1996 Bulls
2. 2000 Lakers
3. 2003 Spurs
4. 2004 Pistons
5. 2005 Spurs

2008 Celts is a little overrated to me, but still a top defensive team. And Bulls team from 97-98 could go in there as well. I just count them as one since they never really change.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:53 AM   #11
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Not even going to begin and try to understand this insanity. Where the hell did you get your numbers and wtf are they measured on. It literally looks like you made a bunch of arbitrary numbers up.

Evidently you never took a statistics class. That's basic stuff.
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