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Old 12-13-2017, 10:01 AM   #1
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Default Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

Lonzo and Fultz have been disappointing. But what about the other supposed "top 3 prospect in this draft"?

9/4/1 on 38%/24%. Looks small and skinny out there when I watch. Horrible jumpshot.

Even Lonzo is at 9/7/7 on 33%/26%.

Meanwhile Jayson Tatum has looked like a 10 year vet since week 2.

Before the draft some people were saying JJ should go #1! What is he above-average at on an NBA level? What do we even have to look forward to?

I think he will be good but... honestly what is this guy's ceiling? How is he ever making an all-star game? What is his player profile in 5 years?
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:21 AM   #2
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

My prediction before was he'll be as good as Childress... and my take remains the same.
Good for him he was'nt hyped so much, or he'll get crucified like Ball.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:25 AM   #3
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Fultz has been injured and mishandled by his team's shitty organization, too soon to call him a disappointment.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:38 AM   #4
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

scouts overrate athleticism so much.... seems like they dont at all look for skills or attitude.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:41 AM   #5
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

He's having an ok year for a rookie, not great not terrible. Most knowledgeable people expected him to be a good NBA player; few expected him to be great right off the bat (if ever). Plus, he plays for Phoenix, so he can "hide" a bit, unlike Lonzo.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:34 PM   #6
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

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He's having an ok year for a rookie, not great not terrible. Most knowledgeable people expected him to be a good NBA player; few expected him to be great right off the bat (if ever).
Pretty sure a lot of "experts" were saying he could be a transcendent player.

But him playing for a crappy Phoenix team and not having the social hype that Ball had coming out definitely has helped JJ fly under the "he's a bust" radar.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:35 PM   #7
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

I think he'll be alright in 2 or 3 seasons, his ball handling skills are atrocious at the moment, he speeds down the court with reckless abandon and turns it over multiple times a game like an idiot but he's aggressive and plays good defense.

His jumper is broken but he doesn't lack confidence, and the mechanics aren't as wacky as Lonzo's so it shouldn't take long to correct them.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:37 PM   #8
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

Has JJ had a constant coach or been put in a position to succeed or are you putting that on his 20 year old shoulders?

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Old 12-13-2017, 03:41 PM   #9
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When I rated Josh Jackson #1 in my mock draft it was under the assumption that he wouldnt get drafted by the worst organization in the NBA

Suns are horrible
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:02 PM   #10
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

Some assert that you need about 20/25 games to gauge whether you have a 'real' bonafide player on your hands. I contend the opposite.

I hear what OP is saying. JJ hasn't been anything to marvel over out the gate. But imo, it's unfair and unreasonable to harshly critcize some of these kids the way we do. The NBA, in particular is one of the leagues where we expect top tier rookies to make a significant impact almost immediately.

We see guys like Wade, Lebron, and to a lesser extent guys like Booker, make their marks on the league from the onset of their careers.

Whereas most of these 19-21 year old's would benefit greatly by spending a few years in the G-league before even touching an NBA floor.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:11 PM   #11
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Fultz was screwed by the Sixers management. It’s not fair to judge him until he comes back healthy.

And Tatum is so overrated. For a rookie, yea he’s been great. But a 10 year vet?
When Kyrie and either Morris/Horford are out and Tatum becomes a top 3 option he looks lost af. Dude has the privilege of playing on a moderately stacked team with a phenomenal coach and system that no other rookie has.
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:22 PM   #12
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Fultz was screwed by the Sixers management. Itís not fair to judge him until he comes back healthy.

And Tatum is so overrated. For a rookie, yea heís been great. But a 10 year vet?
When Kyrie and either Morris/Horford are out and Tatum becomes a top 3 option he looks lost af. Dude has the privilege of playing on a moderately stacked team with a phenomenal coach and system that no other rookie has.


Base on what? 1 off game?
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:23 PM   #13
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

Iíve only watched him play a couple times, but it was enough to see heís a major project. Right now heís a turnover machine and his bball IQ is horrendous. He definitely has the physical tools though.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:29 PM   #14
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Lonzo and Fultz have been disappointing. But what about the other supposed "top 3 prospect in this draft"?

9/4/1 on 38%/24%. Looks small and skinny out there when I watch. Horrible jumpshot.

Even Lonzo is at 9/7/7 on 33%/26%.

Meanwhile Jayson Tatum has looked like a 10 year vet since week 2.

Before the draft some people were saying JJ should go #1! What is he above-average at on an NBA level? What do we even have to look forward to?

I think he will be good but... honestly what is this guy's ceiling? How is he ever making an all-star game? What is his player profile in 5 years?

Way way too early to judge these youngsters IMO.
Aaron Gordon averaged 5pts, at 44% FG and 27% from the 3pt line now, he's averaging 18pts at 40% from the 3pt area.
Westbrook shot 22% from the 3pt area his SECOND YEAR as a pro.
Jordan albeit barely took 3pt shots and therefore was VERY selective never shot above 18.5% from that area his first four years.
A lot of it is confidence and proper tweaking of their shot.
Kawhi was a horrible 3pt shooter in college but greatly benefited under shooting guru Chip Engelland.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:42 PM   #15
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Default Re: Is it time to start giving Josh Jackson a hard time?

The suns are terrible for his development. He must be kicking himself now by not meeting up with the Celts (i still think Ainge was all set with picking Tatum tho)

Heís a pretty good athlete and the kid looks like he has great motor so thatís a start. Heís a bigger project than Lonzo is atm.
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