How Does a Top 5 GOAT Let Two Roleplayers at His Position Win Finals MVP?

[SHAQisGOAT]

who cares about '15+/15+/7+' ? dafuq? get more arbitrary mater.. Bird had b2b 8 pt games and just wasn't impressive.. get over it.


To OP, yeah, Iggy is probably like Billups level.. Kawhi has a chance to do some all-time shit, though... not like Bron guarded Iggy, either.

Figures someone would say that
3 of the 5 main statistical categories right there, more than 60 NBA Finals... Only player who ever averaged 15+/15+/7+? Larry freaking Bird... I guess that says nothing at all, huh?
BTW, Larry's also the only player to have ever averaged a triple-double in a Finals series, when you round-up the numbers (24/10/10 in '86)... Guess that's not impressive either

Just wasn't impressive? Yea, I'm sure you've watched those series
Just says you're a major boxscore watcher, and even so, apart from his usual scoring/shooting numbers during those days, his all-around numbers were still great, especially taking in the "context" of the series...

1st one of those 8-point games, Larry also had 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 5 steals and 2 blocks, playing a great all-around game apart from his scoring/shooting while the Celtics won in a blow-out and no Celtic even had what you'd call a great game scoring-wise...
What would you know about that though?
Guess he should've stayed in to pad them scoring numbers, kinda like LeBron, huh?

The other 8-point game was most likely his worse '81 Finals game, yea, while Cornbread scored 24 but they still lost...

Once again, those Finals were one of the most physical you'll ever see, with big-time D being played, won by defense, hustle and rebounding...
Celtics scored 96.5 PPG on 47% FG, Rockets scored 86.7 on 38%...

Look at how intense it was, with Bird physical af, with a 18/21/9 game1, for the victory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDk9y0Vul5A

Like I've said, Bird almost rebound as much as a prime Moses Malone, he led everyone in assists and steals, 3rd best scorer in the series.

And, in the previous series, the "real" Finals vs Philly who had the best record that year, Bird KILLED IT vs the MVP, led them from a 3-1 deficit.
So, as it should be, most of the attention was on Larry for those Finals, and he was setting up Cornbread for plenty of bunnies...

And, yes, Bird wasn't as good and as consistent with his scoring/shooting as Cedric but shot better from the FT line, take into consideration the paragraph above too, he rebounded better than Maxwell, playmaked much better, played better overall defense and wasn't even that far in terms of scoring.

Bird just more impactful than Cornbread, and was the one who finished the series.

How about Larry being the one to close out the series, easily being the best in the final game6...
Putting up 27/13/5 on 11/20 FG, including 9 of the team's 11 in the decisive late run, very clutch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXOAs4Gz5A

Faced with that ^ and my previous post, tell me though... Why shouldn't Larry have been named FMVP?
Larry WAS the "true" FMVP, get over it...

Main reasons he wasn't named FMVP was because he had a bad relationship with the media during those days, and also, most boxscores didn't have single/total assists and rebounding numbers...
I think someone even posted something about all of that a while ago...

Now g'ahead and throw out a small phrase saying basically nothing as to why Bird wasn't the FMVP


Iggy's not even Billups' "level"... I can see Chauncey making the HoF, for example, not Andre.

[nzahir]

trick question; hes top 30

Top 30 can still mean #1; like how jordan is top 30.
But I guess your brain couldnt comprehend it

[HOoopCityJones]

[Mr. Jabbar]

Top 30 can still mean #1; like how jordan is top 30.
But I guess your brain couldnt comprehend it

dont hate the messenger, hate lebald

[nzahir]

Shows how good LeBron is when you get FMVP for "holding" him to a 35/10/8 or whatever the hell he averaged series.

36 13 and 9 on 40% shooting(well 39.8 or 39.9; but that gets rounded up)

[nzahir]

dont hate the messenger, hate lebald

That doesnt make any sense. I still know that you dont understand the concept of top 30. Of course lebron is top 30; because he is number 6-8 all time right now. When its all said and done though he will be top 5 easy, just wait some years buddy

[Mr. Jabbar]

That doesnt make any sense. I still know that you dont understand the concept of top 30. Of course lebron is top 30; because he is number 6-8 all time right now. When its all said and done though he will be top 5 easy, just wait some years buddy

no1 uses "top x" literally , everyone knows ppl are reffering to the upper limit of that range being mentioned. which is the reason no1 says top 20 or top 30 when talking jordan for example.

you see, this expresion is never used literally, only a literally stupid person would do it.

[Heavincent]

Ive never had him top 5 but thats a completely ridiculous reason for it.

We are talking two guys hitting largely uncontested jumpers and making timely drives on teams that were likely to win no matter what. Leonard had like 17 points total the first two games of the finals. Game 3 he scored 6 points on Lebron(two threes kinds in his face). Game 4...his second field goal was a putback dunk up 22 points.

Watching his game 5 production now. Spurs up 22 and hes scored 2 points on Lebron so far. I turned it off. Maybe he does something later but either way....hes got like 20 points max on Lebron in the entire series.

The way people talk you would think he was going to town on him....or that Iggy wasnt hitting uncontested corner 3s.

People have put in work on Lebron before. But not these two. They played him tough and made him work hard for all he got while few teammates showed up at all.

They hardly game 7 Pierced him.

The Warriors have a very real chance of losing this series without Iguodala...just look at Bran's atrocious FG% when guarded by him.

[Indian guy]

How is LeBron "allowing" anything? He didn't even guard Iggy. Cleveland either had a big or their weakest perimeter defender on the floor on him all series. And even they weren't guarding him much. The game plan was to overplay Curry and Klay and leave everybody else, particularly Iggy, open all series. I just went through Iggy's highlights in all 6 games of the Finals and I counted no more than 3 shots he made on LeBron all series. 3, with 1 of 'em coming in transition.

As far as Kwahi goes, for 1) he's a flat out stud and 2) Spurs are a complete anomaly in the sense that they don't rely on any 1 player. Whoever's going to win MVP on that team, their volume numbers won't be anything to write home about. But I don't think that negates the fact that Kwahi is one of the best players in the NBA. The Finals were simply his coming out party.

And btw, it's not like either of these 2 players actually outplayed or outproduced LeBron. Statistically, it's not even a comparison. LeBron was spectacular in both series' and his production blows 'em away. OP has no point to make here.

And most importantly, the only reason why Kwahi and Iggy's wins are even relevant is because the Finals actually award an MVP. What if every round did, then imagine the less than stellar names top players would be losing the MVP to in some of their lost series'. To judge any great player's all-time standing on the basis of who won MVP in their lost series' is retarded.

[nzahir]

no1 uses "top x" literally , everyone knows ppl are reffering to the upper limit of that range being mentioned. which is the reason no1 says top 20 or top 30 when talking jordan for example.

you see, this expresion is never used literally, only a literally stupid person would do it.

You are smart(DONT TAKE IT LITERALLY THOUGH)

[Psileas]

How is LeBron "allowing" anything? He didn't even guard Iggy. Cleveland either had a big or their weakest perimeter defender on the floor on him all series. And even they weren't guarding him much. The game plan was to overplay Curry and Klay and leave everybody else, particularly Iggy, open all series. I just went through Iggy's highlights in all 6 games of the Finals and I counted no more than 3 shots he made on LeBron all series. 3, with 1 of 'em coming in transition.

As far as Kwahi goes, for 1) he's a flat out stud and 2) Spurs are a complete anomaly in the sense that they don't rely on any 1 player. Whoever's going to win MVP on that team, their volume numbers won't be anything to write home about. But I don't think that negates the fact that Kwahi is one of the best players in the NBA. The Finals were simply his coming out party.

And btw, it's not like either of these 2 players actually outplayed or outproduced LeBron. Statistically, it's not even a comparison. LeBron was spectacular in both series' and his production blows 'em away. OP has no point to make here.

And most importantly, the only reason why Kwahi and Iggy's wins are even relevant is because the Finals actually award an MVP. What if every round did, then imagine the less than stellar names top players would be losing the MVP to in some of their lost series'. To judge any great player's all-time standing on the basis of who won MVP in their lost series' is retarded.

This. It's not LeBron's fault that a player of the winning team is vastly favored for winning the Finals MVP regardless of whether or not he was the series' best player. The margin of performance between him and them was actually bigger (in favor of him) than the margin of performance between Kobe and Billups in 2004 (not even in Kobe's favor).
It shouldn't even just be a Finals thing. Had every series had an MVP, Jordan would have lost multiple ones to other inferior guards (Moncrief, Dumars, Thomas), Magic to another inferior guard (K.Johnson), Kareem to inferior centers (Thurmond, Sikma), etc.

[G0ATbe]

That sounds like something a top 50 player would do.

[red1]

lol. terrible thread

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Ive never had him top 5 but thats a completely ridiculous reason for it.

We are talking two guys hitting largely uncontested jumpers and making timely drives on teams that were likely to win no matter what. Leonard had like 17 points total the first two games of the finals. Game 3 he scored 6 points on Lebron(two threes kinds in his face). Game 4...his second field goal was a putback dunk up 22 points.

Watching his game 5 production now. Spurs up 22 and hes scored 2 points on Lebron so far. I turned it off. Maybe he does something later but either way....hes got like 20 points max on Lebron in the entire series.

The way people talk you would think he was going to town on him....or that Iggy wasnt hitting uncontested corner 3s.

People have put in work on Lebron before. But not these two. They played him tough and made him work hard for all he got while few teammates showed up at all.

They hardly game 7 Pierced him.

Yeah, neither deserved FMVP, really. These MVP awards are really losing their luster. They're just media and agenda awards at this point. Duncan and Curry are the leaders of their teams and deserve full credit for their titles. The media giving FMVP to some random roleplayer who wasn't guarded most of the time and scored like 3 times on LeBron when their team was up 20 doesn't mean a whole lot.

[PickernRoller]

But remember when Billups MURDERED kobe in '04 finals.

Lol what.....??? It's like these clowns just know Detroit and the Lakers played against each other so by default Billups ate Kobe's lunch?

Kobe's assignment during that whole series got locked down and shut down (hint: it was not Billups - go do some research). Clowns these days.