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Old 05-12-2013, 05:09 PM   #46
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Default Re: Michael Jordan was the only LEGIT 1996 FMVP candidate besides Kemp.

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No the reality is that Pippen was playing with a wrist, knee, and ankle injury in the 96 playoffs. He still led the playoffs in drating and defensive win shares.

Good lord

now even better reason why Kemp had such a good finals. Kemp even posterized pippen & rodman like crazy with some Jam session of his own throughout the series.

Pippen cannot score but people expected Pippen-Rodman combo to defend Kemp.
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:09 PM   #47
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Jordan was the MVP. The people that usually have a problem with it are the ones that usually have a problem with how much credit Jordan gets in general.

Jordan played below his standards while Rodman didn't. But that doesn't mean Rodman was a better player in the series. There's no one in their right mind that can seriously say the Bulls would've had a better chance without Jordan then without Rodman.

The argument against Jordan seems to be his inefficiency and scoring impact in general wasn't greater then Rodmans rebounding impact. Well, why do these same people not argue for Wallace over Billups in 04, KG over Pierce in 08, and Gasol over Kobe in 2010? Scoring wise, their impact was equal or less, while their teammates not only had a huge impact on the boards that may have not been as big as Rodman's, but some of the clearly had a larger offensive impact then him.
Billups in 04 had a huge difference in points and assists over Wallace while shooting 51/47/93 in the series.
KG has a good case for 08 FMVP.
Gasol averaged only 3.6 more RPG than Kobe in 2010.

Looking at the numbers, Jordan was the FMVP. The series was won after the first 3 games when the Bulls took a 3-0 lead. MJ had 28-7-2 on 50%, 29-6-8 on 41%, and 36-3-5 on 48% in those first 3 games. Those are FMVP worthy in any series. Game 3 which really put the series away since a 3-0 series lead with a win vs a 2-1 series lead with a loss is big. In that game 3 Rodman had 5 points and 10 rebounds while Jordan had 36 points.How can people say Rodman was FMVP? When you take into account the whole series, Jordan averaged nearly 20 more PPG than Rodman. Way too big of a gap offensively to even make a case for Rodman.

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Old 05-12-2013, 06:03 PM   #48
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Billups in 04 had a huge difference in points and assists over Wallace while shooting 51/47/93 in the series.
KG has a good case for 08 FMVP.
Gasol averaged only 3.6 more RPG than Kobe in 2010.

Looking at the numbers, Jordan was the FMVP. The series was won after the first 3 games when the Bulls took a 3-0 lead. MJ had 28-7-2 on 50%, 29-6-8 on 41%, and 36-3-5 on 48% in those first 3 games. Those are FMVP worthy in any series. Game 3 which really put the series away since a 3-0 series lead with a win vs a 2-1 series lead with a loss is big. In that game 3 Rodman had 5 points and 10 rebounds while Jordan had 36 points.How can people say Rodman was FMVP? When you take into account the whole series, Jordan averaged nearly 20 more PPG than Rodman. Way too big of a gap offensively to even make a case for Rodman.
So the first three wins dont hold as much weight as the last one? Jordan should get credit for having statistically good performances in 2 losses? Wow
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:39 PM   #49
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So the first three wins dont hold as much weight as the last one? Jordan should get credit for having statistically good performances in 2 losses? Wow

MJ was ROCK SOLID in first 2 games.

MJ was GREAT in most important ROAD game of the series.

Game 3 & Game 5 are the most important games of Finals series.

Game 3 even more important cuz of 2-3-2 format.


Game 3 is a SITTING DUCK to be stolen by a visiting team before home team feels the ultimate heat of loosing finals


Even if a team wins 72 games, those 3 BACK-2-BACK-2-BACK games ON THE ROAD can literally make sure Finals series dont go back to THEIR HOME for game 6.

MJ stole Game 3 by having the best game of the series!

Bulls got incredible 3-0 lead!

CHI FMVP was decided
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:00 PM   #50
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So MJ's leadership doesn't count for anything?

All this mention of Rodnan's 'other' aspects yet MJ didn't do any of these 'other' stuff???

Reminds me of Pip apologists that say "pip did the other stuff" as if MJ just stood in the corner like Kobe.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:19 PM   #51
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MJ was ROCK SOLID in first 2 games.

MJ was GREAT in most important ROAD game of the series.

Game 3 & Game 5 are the most important games of Finals series.

Game 3 even more important cuz of 2-3-2 format.


Game 3 is a SITTING DUCK to be stolen by a visiting team before home team feels the ultimate heat of loosing finals


Even if a team wins 72 games, those 3 BACK-2-BACK-2-BACK games ON THE ROAD can literally make sure Finals series dont go back to THEIR HOME for game 6.

MJ stole Game 3 by having the best game of the series!

Bulls got incredible 3-0 lead!

CHI FMVP was decided
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Lol. MJ "stole" game 3? IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT. The Bulls jumped out on the Sonics 11-2. Finished the half being up 25 pts. They won by 22

Pippen almost had a triple double, with 3 stls and led the Bulls in defensive rating
Kukoc had 14/7/7
Longley scored 19 on 61% and along with Rodman shut down Kemp by limiting him to only 14 shots.
Rodman 5/10 in only 30 min.

The game was never in doubt. The Bulls had the lead from start to fiinish

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=1996%...0full%20 game

Heres clip of the game

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Old 05-12-2013, 07:21 PM   #52
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So MJ's leadership doesn't count for anything?

All this mention of Rodnan's 'other' aspects yet MJ didn't do any of these 'other' stuff???

Reminds me of Pip apologists that say "pip did the other stuff" as if MJ just stood in the corner like Kobe.
No. You guys act as if Pippen did little to nothing. That s always been my gripe. And not just Pippen, but the team as a whole.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:43 PM   #53
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No. You guys act as if Pippen did little to nothing. That s always been my gripe. And not just Pippen, but the team as a whole.
Nobody ever said he didn't. The issue is you and your ilk exaggerating his feats and minimizing MJ's.

All we ever heard was "pip provides intangibles" and continue to spew the often debunked "pip always guards the best player" as if MJ didn't do any of all that.

People alluded to that in this thread with rodman again.

" but he plays defense and does the intangibles"
Again....as if MJ didn't do all that while leading the team and being the defensive focus.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:26 PM   #54
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Nobody ever said he didn't. The issue is you and your ilk exaggerating his feats and minimizing MJ's.

All we ever heard was "pip provides intangibles" and continue to spew the often debunked "pip always guards the best player" as if MJ didn't do any of all that.

People alluded to that in this thread with rodman again.

" but he plays defense and does the intangibles"
Again....as if MJ didn't do all that while leading the team and being the defensive focus.
A few post above this one...... Ghengis stated that Jordan "stole" game 3. STOLE!!!!!!! How do you steel a game in which you blow it he opposition out? I said it was a team effort. Ghengis credited Jordan, I credited the team as a whole.
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A few post above this one...... Ghengis stated that Jordan "stole" game 3. STOLE!!!!!!! How do you steel a game in which you blow it he opposition out? I said it was a team effort. Ghengis credited Jordan, I credited the team as a whole.

You did not understand the logic bruh!

Game 3 in NBA finals gives a "new" HOME COURT ADVANTAGE to home team.

whatever happened in first 2 games for AWAY team is distant now.

They have 3 STRAIGHT HOME GAMES in their back yard because of the 2-3-2 sequence.

BUT

Game 3 could be STOLEN by visiting team if they play the cards right especially if the series is 1-1.

HOME team is bit relaxed & doesnt really push the panic button to desperately win game 3.

Bulls exactly did that.

The reason why MJ is credited for Game 3 win at seattle?

MJ's best game of the series is Game 3. he hit 48%FG, his Finals average. He hit 36 pts mark, his finals average.

MJ as a visiting player was clearly the Game 3 "PLAYER OF THE GAME"

The way sonics played in game 1,2,4,5. Its clear that Bulls STOLE one led by MJ's 35+ pts performance.

Its a reality!

Pippen hasn't done much the entire series btw. He may have near triple double but 1996 finals were MJ-Rodman-Kukoc show.
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Old 05-12-2013, 11:06 PM   #56
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You did not understand the logic bruh!

Game 3 in NBA finals gives a "new" HOME COURT ADVANTAGE to home team.

whatever happened in first 2 games for AWAY team is distant now.

They have 3 STRAIGHT HOME GAMES in their back yard because of the 2-3-2 sequence.

BUT

Game 3 could be STOLEN by visiting team if they play the cards right especially if the series is 1-1.

HOME team is bit relaxed & doesnt really push the panic button to desperately win game 3.

Bulls exactly did that.

The reason why MJ is credited for Game 3 win at seattle?

MJ's best game of the series is Game 3. he hit 48%FG, his Finals average. He hit 36 pts mark, his finals average.

MJ as a visiting player was clearly the Game 3 "PLAYER OF THE GAME"

The way sonics played in game 1,2,4,5. Its clear that Bulls STOLE one led by MJ's 35+ pts performance.

Its a reality!

Pippen hasn't done much the entire series btw. He may have near triple double but 1996 finals were MJ-Rodman-Kukoc show.
Im not arguing Pippen. For whatever reason Pip just didnt have it. Ive heard it was because GP20 was defending him, his injuries, fatigue, whatever. Ive always maintained that I was most impressed with Rodman and Longley. As well as Kukoc. They played very well. Jordan wasnt himself either.

I just dont think Jordan should he anointed with the MVP based on what he did in a blowout win and two losses.

And perhaps we dont see the term "stole" as having the same meaning when it comes to sports. Stole to me is when a team wins a close game they werent supposed to. Like in the Bulls/Heat series this year game 1. Or the flu game in 97. Or the game where Bird stole that errant Isiah Thomas pass. Not a game where a team is heavily favored blows the other team out and the players play well on top of that.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:30 PM   #57
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Most of Kemp's points didn't come necessarily in garbage time, they usually came when Longley guarded him. I don't see why anyone can make any claim about the 1996 series without watching any of the games. Obviously Rodman didn't "shut down" Kemp but he did play very good defense against him.
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