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Old 10-21-2010, 03:54 AM   #46
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Default Re: Glenn Beck On Evolution: Where Are The Half-Monkey/Half-Human Hybrids?

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While O'Donnell obviously has never read the consitution, I don't think Coon has a point either. How does she use the first amendment in here argument of whether public schools should teach creationism?

The first ammendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

I'm pretty sure public school curriculum is not a law being passed by congress, so I fail to see how this applies.

Not that I am advocating teaching creationism, but neither politician has any grasp of the constitution

You are getting into the long debated interpretation of the First Amendment. Clearly, those who penned the Constitution made it painstakingly clear that this country should not have federal or state mandated religion and that there should be no government interference in religious practice.

The Supreme Court has long interpreted the First Amendment to prohibit prayer and religious practices in public schools. This would also apply to any study of creationism, because those beliefs hinge on blind faith and cannot be proven scientifically or logically.

So, based on the interpretations of the First Amendment by the most powerful judicial body in the country (and the world, for that matter), there is application of what is said in the document to the pushing forth of certain religious beliefs in public school.

While the First Amendment does point to 'Congress' as the body that shall not make any laws respecting an establishment of religion, Congress acts as a symbol of all governmental bodies, both federal and state.

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Glenn Beck is an obvious troll, wasn't he a former shock jock?

He was one of those annoying 'morning zoo' guys on FM radio in the mornings. I wouldn't call him a shock jock, though... That would be an insult to the likes of Howard Stern who have actual talent.

Check out Beck on the Morning Zoo.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:28 AM   #47
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Default Re: Glenn Beck On Evolution: Where Are The Half-Monkey/Half-Human Hybrids?

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It's a theory and a fact.
When it attempts to explain speciation or something, then it becomes a theory(A really solid one imo).
Evolution is fact by itself.

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Old 11-12-2010, 07:23 AM   #48
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Default Re: Glenn Beck On Evolution: Where Are The Half-Monkey/Half-Human Hybrids?

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Evolution is observable fact.

Microevolution (adaptation) has been observed. Where things get extremely shaky is when those minor changes are extrapolated into major body-plan level changes. It's shaky because said changes are qualitatively, rather than quantitatively, different.

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Therefore the state(in this case the public schools) is not supposed to support religious teaching (ID or creationism).

How does inferring design in biology equate to religion? Intelligent Design arguments are based entirely around evidence with no plea to any religious text.

One of my favorite websites, Evolution News & Views, had a dynamite entry on I.D., Thomas Jefferson and the First Amendment. It's must-read material for anyone interested in this debate.

Thomas Jefferson: Intelligent Design Not Based on Religion

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Next time someone tells you intelligent design is "based on religion," you might point him to American Founder Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence. As I explain in a special July 4th edition of ID the Future, Jefferson not only believed in intelligent design, he insisted it was based on the plain evidence of nature, not religion.

Ironically, the critics of intelligent design often think they are defending the principles of Jefferson. The National Council for the Social Studies, for example, claims that intelligent design is religion and then cites Jefferson's famous Letter to the Danbury Baptists calling for a "wall of separation" between church and state. The clear implication is that Thomas Jefferson would agree with them that intelligent design is religion. A writer for Irregular Times goes even further, insisting that "the case of Thomas Jefferson makes it quite clear that there was not a consensus of support among the authors of the Constitution to allow for the mixing of religion and government to support theological doctrines such as intelligent design."

In reality, Jefferson did not believe that intelligent design was a religious doctrine. In a letter to John Adams on April 11, 1823, he declared:
I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. (emphasis added)
By insisting that his defense of intelligent design was made "without appeal to revelation," Jefferson clearly was arguing that the idea had a basis other than religion. What was that basis? He went on to explain:
The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles, insects mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organised as man or mammoth, the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their preserver and regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regenerator into new and other forms.
In sum, Jefferson believed that empirical data from nature itself proved intelligent design by showing the natural world's intricate organization from the level of plants and insects all the way up to the revolution of the planets.

As I document in my book The Politics of Revelation and Reason, Jefferson was hostile toward traditional Christianity and lashed out in private at those who believed in the divinity of Jesus. He even created his own redacted version of the New Testament from which he cut out the miracles. So he certainly can't be accused of trying to promote "Christian fundamentalism."

That makes his defense of intelligent design as based on unassisted reason rather than divine revelation all the more powerful.

If more people knew about Jefferson's real views on intelligent design, they might not be so quick to accept bogus claims that it is simply repackaged theology.

I.D.'s views are essentially advanced forms of Jefferson's own views, based entirely on the stunning findings of science.

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Default Re: Glenn Beck On Evolution: Where Are The Half-Monkey/Half-Human Hybrids?

where are all the half man half monkey hybrids?

err look back a couple of thousand years ago mate, does he even understand evolution?
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Default Re: Glenn Beck On Evolution: Where Are The Half-Monkey/Half-Human Hybrids?

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where are all the half man half monkey hybrids?

err look back a couple of thousand years ago mate, does he even understand evolution?
You obviously don't.
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