Putin sends 4,000 troops to Syria

[UK2K]

How about we stop going into places. Violence leads to nothing but more violence.

We could hand out all the hugs we want, I just don't think that method will be any more successful.

[DonDadda59]

You don't really know what you're talking about, as per usual. The US could have greatly weakened IS by now had they really wanted, they simply made no real effort to do so, because it is Assad that they really have a problem with: he was the basis for their initial crusade, and a too heavy 'degrading' of IS from America would help him out.

Russian efforts thus far have done more to hurt ISIS and instil a semblance of stability (in Damascus at least) than years of the supposed 'degrade and destroy' policy of Obama.

Assad's '200,000' didn't have the same advantage as the rebels, who were constantly plied with outside support, while the Syrian regime was near-universally denigrated in an attempt to impoverish and overthrow it. IS doesn't have a hope against Assad backed by the Russian military unless it gets a load more support from Turkey & co.

I don't know what it is with Americans and their congenital dislike and distrust of the Russians - Russian communism is over, they are still rebuilding from that Utopian catastrophe, stop with the constant denigration and abuse - Russia should be an American ally, and probably would be by now if not for the mad-cap utopian idealists who fill up the US State Department (and their idiotic followers).

Here's an article from someone who knows what they're talking about:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6725566.html

Oh, well... then now that Putin really wants to hurt ISIS then I'm sure he'll do just that. So simple.

If you can conceive it, you can achieve it.

Guess that's where the U.S. and the USSR went wrong in the region since the late 70s-present... They just didn't want it enough.

Go learn something

I was thinking about learning how to make model airplanes.

But then figured someone might try to blow them up.

No one's safe these days.

[UK2K]

And what would a 'real war' have looked like? Our goal in Afghanistan was to take out the Taliban and we accomplished that, rather easily... same with taking out Saddam's regime in Iraq.

Turning those victories into something and holding on to the territories is where the problem comes in.

Oh, just looked it up- as of mid October, the Russian have flown 600 air missions in Syria since their campaign began. Can't say I know what they accomplished besides getting one of their own commercial planes blown out of the sky and destroying theirs and Egypt's tourism industry.

But i'm sure recent History and the failures of the greatest military in Human History will have no bearing on Alpha Male Putin's excursion into the region. After all... he rides shirtless on horses.

Bareback.

One post before, you said the Shock and Awe was a failure.

The country of Afghanistan is a shit hole. It's not our fault, nor our problem. We did everything for them, and handed them a relatively peaceful, democratic country on a silver platter.

They didn't want it apparently. Who knew? What else can you do?

[West-Side]

You don't really know what you're talking about, as per usual. The US could have greatly weakened IS by now had they really wanted, they simply made no real effort to do so, because it is Assad that they really have a problem with: he was the basis for their initial crusade, and a too heavy 'degrading' of IS from America would help him out.

Russian efforts thus far have done more to hurt ISIS and instil a semblance of stability (in Damascus at least) than years of the supposed 'degrade and destroy' policy of Obama.

Assad's '200,000' didn't have the same advantage as the rebels, who were constantly plied with outside support, while the Syrian regime was near-universally denigrated in an attempt to impoverish and overthrow it. IS doesn't have a hope against Assad backed by the Russian military unless it gets a load more support from Turkey & co.

I don't know what it is with Americans and their congenital dislike and distrust of the Russians - Russian communism is over, they are still rebuilding from that Utopian catastrophe, stop with the constant denigration and abuse - Russia should be an American ally, and probably would be by now if not for the mad-cap utopian idealists who fill up the US State Department (and their idiotic followers).

Here's an article from someone who knows what they're talking about:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6725566.html

Go learn something.

[West-Side]

Oh, well... then now that Putin really wants to hurt ISIS then I'm sure he'll do just that. So simple.

If you can conceive it, you can achieve it.

Guess that's where the U.S. and the USSR went wrong in the region since the late 70s-present... They just didn't want it enough.




I was thinking about learning how to make model airplanes.

But then figured someone might try to blow them up.

No one's safe these days.

How much of a scum bag can you be?

[Dresta]

You think Putin cares about ISIS 'killing innocent victims'?

His main focus when he started his campaign wasn't even ISIS, it was the other rebel groups that were smacking Assad's forces around. Putin's only goal is to keep Assad in power so he has a proxy in the region... then he wants to do the same in Iraq.

Good luck to him. I'm sure those 4,000 troops will accomplish all of that in a matter of weeks. 5 years from now when the new Soviet Empire controls the Middle East and terrorism no longer exists, we'll all look back and say 'Thank you, based Putin'.

Sure he wants to keep Assad in power: that much has been obvious. But American & British wavering, and their refusal to make deals with Assad (instead attempting to undermine him), is what's allowed groups like IS to carve themselves such a strong position in the first place. The Americans were warned that the destabilization of Syria would spill over to Iraq, but they ignored such warnings. (and how stupid to destabilize just about the only country in the region that wasn't a tyranny for religious minorities)

This isn't about ending terrorism either, but ending a destructive civil war that has claimed millions of lives, and hopefully to restore Syria to something of a functioning State before the entire country is reduced to waste. The only way this descends into something worse is if other proxies get heavily involved.

[DonDadda59]

One post before, you said the Shock and Awe was a failure.

The country of Afghanistan is a shit hole. It's not our fault, nor our problem. We did everything for them, and handed them a relatively peaceful, democratic country on a silver platter.

They didn't want it apparently. Who knew? What else can you do?

Leave them be and stop meddling in their affairs and focus on domestic issues?

Just a thought.

But Putin will do what the U.S. and his former Soviet bosses couldn't in the region.

Ask, Believe, Receive... You just gotta want it more than the other guys.

[DonDadda59]

Sure he wants to keep Assad in power: that much has been obvious. But American & British wavering, and their refusal to make deals with Assad (instead attempting to undermine him), is what's allowed groups like IS to carve themselves such a strong position in the first place. The Americans were warned that the destabilization of Syria would spill over to Iraq, but they ignored such warnings. (and how stupid to destabilize just about the only country in the region that wasn't a tyranny for religious minorities)

This isn't about ending terrorism either, but ending a destructive civil war that has claimed millions of lives, and hopefully to restore Syria to something of a functioning State before the entire country is reduced to waste. The only way this descends into something worse is if other proxies get heavily involved.

That won't be achieved with Assad in power. The Americans and British wouldn't invite him to have a beer or tea... but his own people wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

But again... in Putin we trust. He knows what he's doing.

How much of a scum bag can you be?

How much are you willing to spend to find out?

[Dresta]

One post before, you said the Shock and Awe was a failure.

The country of Afghanistan is a shit hole. It's not our fault, nor our problem. We did everything for them, and handed them a relatively peaceful, democratic country on a silver platter.

They didn't want it apparently. Who knew? What else can you do?

Yeah, unfortunately you can't 'implant' democracy somewhere and expect it to work when the cultural mores of the place are completely unadapted to such a form of government. That was the initial mistake of the whole Middle-Eastern project, and essentially, a liberal-utopian fantasy.

[KevinNYC]

Stop trying to play down what Putin's doing

Just stop. This is moronic even for you.

Type Russia or Syria into Google news. Russia is no sending 4,000 special forces.
Also I just mentioned the biggest victory Russia and ISIS have had.

What's it gonna take for Barry to act? One of our planes bombed out of the sky? Even then, I'd think he'd find a reason not to act.

You denied for over a year that we are launching airstrikes against ISIS.

Please describe what acting should look like. Any US politician have a plan similar to yours? Congress won't even vote on authorizing the current action against Iraq. 11 months are no vote. Is there any domestic support for a plan like yours?

[Dresta]

That won't be achieved with Assad in power. The Americans and British wouldn't invite him to have a beer or tea... but his own people wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

But again... in Putin we trust. He knows what he's doing.

If he didn't have the support of large amounts of his own people his regime would have collapsed long ago. Large portions of the forces fighting against him are foreign mujahideen even - there is no chance he could have survived if he had no support home with as many external enemies as he has. The principal objectors to Assad are the US, UK, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - their insistence on his removal has been one of the largest obstacles to reconciliation.

Ask all the refugees in camps whether they'd rather the war continue, or it be ended and they allowed to go home with Assad still in power. Not to mention the problems the refugee crisis are creating in Europe - ending the war, as quickly as possible, aught to be every sensible man's priority.

[Patrick Chewing]

Please describe what acting should look like.

The moment the first American was killed......boots on the ground. You stomp a mudhole in their asses and plant an American flag.

Oh is that too much for your pacifist eyes to read? Too bad. That's what it takes to defeat the enemy. Not airstrikes over sites where ISIS is not.

[UK2K]

Leave them be and stop meddling in their affairs and focus on domestic issues?

Just a thought.

But Putin will do what the U.S. and his former Soviet bosses couldn't in the region.

Ask, Believe, Receive... You just gotta want it more than the other guys.

Nice jump. That's not even remotely close to what we were talking about.

But ignoring that... Not only had OBL been wanted by Nato since '99 and he happened to be hiding in.. Afghanistan.

But we were invited by the Afghan government (what they called the government). You don't remember them telling the US to stay out, do you? Yeah, me either.

[UK2K]

Yeah, unfortunately you can't 'implant' democracy somewhere and expect it to work when the cultural mores of the place are completely unadapted to such a form of government. That was the initial mistake of the whole Middle-Eastern project, and essentially, a liberal-utopian fantasy.

You can't teach cave people how to behave. It is what it is. Most in the ME are living 1000 years (or more) in the past. Many in Afghanistan had never left their towns. Most couldn't read. They don't know what a democracy is.

Most Afghans just want to continue living without electricity, shitting in their fields for fertilizer, and wiping their asses with their hands.

I felt bad for the Afghans who did work with us, because a few could speak English, and those that could usually knew what the world was like outside Afghanistan. They wanted Afghanistan to be like the US, but they were a minority.

[KevinNYC]

The moment the first American was killed......boots on the ground. You stomp a mudhole in their asses and plant an American flag.

Oh is that too much for your pacifist eyes to read? Too bad. That's what it takes to defeat the enemy. Not airstrikes over sites where ISIS is not.

So I'm a pacifist now? You should half of ISH.

Could you put your plan into something less bumperstickery? Boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria?

How many boots gets the job done? What do we do after the flag gets planted in the mudhole we have made of their asses?


Also how many Americans have been killed by ISIS?