Lebron Still a Top 3 Player ????

[BigMacAttack]

By next season he wont even be top 3 at his position.

[pauk]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

[MellowYellow]

Draymond is not a good shooter

Draymond is not a great rebounder

Draymond green DOES NOT stretch the floor

Watch any golden state game especially in the finals last year how they guard Draymond. Draymond is dared to take the open 3 point shot every single time while his man sags near the free throw line. This is how every team plays Draymond Green. No one even closes out on him.

you dont even watch golden state games you are just trolling

shut the fuc[COLOR="Black"]k[/COLOR] up

15/9.5/7.4 leads league in triple doubles 42% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

Hasnt ur criteria for ranking players always heavily depended on advanced stats like PER and WS/48?

Did u change ur criteria now that Bran isnt leading those anymore?

[pauk]

These Kawhi/Draymond comparisons im not sure how serious some are about (to much trolling going on here), Lebron is better than either of them in any way except for the defense part.... and Curry, he is just a shooter/scorer and unfortunately that is not always ON... difference is those guys play with much better supporting casts, that is the only reason they win... switch places and see how that goes, Kawhi or Draymond or Curry leading the Cavs.... and Lebron playing with GSW or Spurs.... see how that goes...

The only guy who has the individual talent i can see surpassing Lebron is Durant, if he didnt get injured that would have officially happened this year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

HE NEEDS MOARRRR

2 all stars by his side for 6 straight years of his prime just isn't enough

[pauk]

Hasnt ur criteria for ranking players always heavily depended on advanced stats like PER and WS/48?

Never, the only time i spoke of PER is to showcase stats... and those were shown only for purpose to showcase who has best stats, literally, end of story... doesnt mean you are the best....

I think Lebron has decreased in every single way and i see no reason why he wont keep doing that, dude is done by his standards, but not by others... he still is good enough, enough to be still called the best overall/allround talent in the league, sorry.

[pauk]

HE NEEDS MOARRRR

2 all stars by his side for 6 straight years of his prime just isn't enough

It is enough to win over this Warriors team or even the Spurs? You saw those 2 stars last night?

I need an answer on this quickly.... wanna know if i can start laughing or not...

The thing is, it should be enough on paper, meaning IF they play up to their standards... Love putting up 27/15 and Kyrie ~25.... but they are not... especially not Love, infact he has not even been the 3rd or maybe even 4th best player for Cavs atm...

[imnew09]

Top 3 at folding under big pressure

1. Griffn
2. CP3
3. Lebeta

[BigMacAttack]

These Kawhi/Draymond comparisons im not sure how serious some are about (to much trolling going on here), Lebron is better than either of them in any way except for the defense part.... and Curry, he is just a shooter/scorer and unfortunately that is not always ON... difference is those guys play with much better supporting casts, that is the only reason they win... switch places and see how that goes, Kawhi or Draymond or Curry leading the Cavs.... and Lebron playing with GSW or Spurs.... see how that goes...

The only guy who has the individual talent i can see surpassing Lebron is Durant, if he didnt get injured that would have officially happened this year.

Keep clinging onto that one buddy.

If Lebron was swapped with Kawhi or Curry both GSW and the Spurs would get worse. You are kidding yourself, Lebron would not know what to do with himself in a ball movement oriented offense, SAS and GSW would both have to change the system to accommodate "the choosen one" . Pop would flat out make Lebron cry the first time LeGm started asking for more help and throwing teammates under the bus or trying to make trades. Fvck outta here.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It is enough to win over this Warriors team or even the Spurs? You saw those 2 stars last night?

I need an answer on this quickly.... wanna know if i can start laughing or not...

The thing is, it should be enough on paper, meaning IF they play up to their standards... Love putting up 27/15 and Kyrie ~25....

how are they supposed to "play up to their standards" when one guy iso's 80% of the time that he gets the ball..

iso joe isn't making anybody better by doing that..


For you and the rest of his stans on ISH nothing he has beside him will ever be enough. If Lebron had Klay and Draymond that wouldn't be enough. Curry makes playing offense for his teammates SO MUCH easier than Lebron does. You really think Draymond would have the freedom average 7 assist per game with Lebron beside him? Curry creates more opportunities for his teammates than Lebron does, Curry opens up the floor and allows players to be in positions where they can thrive.

this Lebron just can't do what Curry can do on the court, and this Lebron hasn't proven that he can make his teammates better in any sort of the same capacity as Steph Curry- the hands down best player in the NBA

Iso joe and his ugly style of basketball can gladly fade away as teams like the Spurs and Warriors show how to win while playing team ball and Curry shows how to win while playing at an ATG level while seamlessly balancing offensive selfishness and unselfishness at a level that very few in the history of the league have ever done.

Until Lebron, Kyrie and Love decide to run an actual offense they aren't going to get anything done.

[pauk]

Keep clinging onto that one buddy.

I see it as i see it...

Kawhi is an average player with DPOY level defense, who due to playing with an insane supporting cast / coaching etc. gets way to much credit for THEIR success....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Draymond is a role player with DPOY level defense who flourishes as a great complimentary player due to playing with what is the sickest team i ever seen since 90s Bulls that is Warriors....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Curry is a GOAT pure shooter with great ballhandling who compliments the same team above very well....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Meanwhile Lebron is the greatest overall/allround talent in the league, the most impactful player and far more valuable to his team than any of those above are, he needs to do ALOOOOOT more individually in order to win and even more than that if he wants to win it in the same fashion as them .... who just so happens to play with scrubs and 2 players who just cant seem to gel, not Love at least....
When he plays bad, they get blown out....
When he plays to his standards, they win, sometimes lose...
When he plays above his standards, they win, sometimes still lose...

Now you can sit there and keep acting like Curry/Draymond/Kawhi win because they are just that good talents.... better than Lebron..... or just accept that Lebron doesnt have anywhere close to the luxury of those casts they have.... and if he had it would have been a guaranteed championship run every season until he is just way to damn old (and even then he might win a la Duncan)....

[BigMacAttack]

We have been hearing the same excuses for his entire career! What absolute horseshit to still be blaming his cast. Curry is a flatout better player right now, you are in extreme denial if you don't believe that. I cant believe you are here talking about his supporting cast like its 2010, ****ing pathetic.

[Heavincent]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

[BigMacAttack]

Yeah man, Lebron needs 5 all stars and a couple all defensive team players on his squad to win nowadays .