Charles Barkley > Kobe

[gin17]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

[Mamba]

i second this statement.

head to head charles vs kobe in 7 games:

Kobe stats: 16 ppg, 42%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.1 assist, 0.7 blocks, and 2 turnovers per game

Charles stats: 22.3 ppg, 51%, 13.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.1 blocks and 2.4 turnovers

Charles > kobe head to head

[Ne 1]

I really believe people don't think before saying things like this.

Just how many 30/5/5 SGs have their been in the history of the NBA?

Jordan
Kobe
West (if you count him as a SG)
Wade

And that is about it. That is just as short of a list as great 2 way centers (if not shorter). All the guys mentioned above won titles (Kobe and Jordan numerous titles).

Barkley lacked mental toughness, dedication and never won shit.

The whole big man over a perimeter player thing is frustrating to hear at times.

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[Rysio]

even barkley would

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyhX2YMgNvs

[daily]

i second this statement.

head to head charles vs kobe in 7 games:

Kobe stats: 16 ppg, 42%, 4.7 rebounds, 1.1 assist, 0.7 blocks, and 2 turnovers per game

Charles stats: 22.3 ppg, 51%, 13.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.1 blocks and 2.4 turnovers

Charles > kobe head to head

Since you want to play head to head with two players that didn't even guard each other

Kobe vs Charles
Kobe 8 wins, Charles 3 wins

[gengiskhan]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

Agreed.

Better leadership
Better scorer
Much Better Rebounder
Better Bball IQ
Better post-up game
Bigger Alpha Male
Better Passer
Much more efficient Player


Kobe only wins in defense against Barkley.

Everything else, Barkley faaks that rapist's a$$.

[andgar923]

peak Charles Barkley > peak Kobe

there, i said it.

no doubt.

Agreed 100%

[tomtucker]

fukk Charles Barkley .....grumpy old bastard

[tazb]

Tell us something we don't know.

[kennethgriffin]

peak kobe was dropping 33/8/6 in a nba finals championship/finals mvp run with a 60 win team

lol@ peak charles

[MJ23forever]

peak kobe was dropping 33/8/6 in a nba finals championship/finals mvp run with a 60 win team

2008-2010 Kobe we're looking at a three year stretch where he got 30/6/6/2 on 47 FG%, 51 eFG%, 57 TS% including some epic series. 2 rings, 3 finals. Not many have done it better...

His conference finals series:

29/6/4 53% vs. Spurs (who just a year before embarassed Lebron and were top 3 defense)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. Nuggets (shut down Chris Paul that year and top 10 defense)
34/7/8 on 52% vs. Suns (who after the all-star break were top 5 defense)

Playoff Stats Year-by-Year

2008
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT 58TS% 51eFG%

2009
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT 56TS% 49eFG%

2010
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 37%3P 84%FT 57TS% 51eFG%

2x NBA Champion
2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
1x All Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
3x All-Defensive First Team
1x Olympic Gold Medal


That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

His best series in this span....

34/5/6 on 50% vs. '08 Nuggets
29/6/4 on 53% vs. '08 Spurs (#3 ranked defense and a year before embarrassed Lebron)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. '09 Nuggets
33/7/7 on 49% vs. '08 Jazz
34/7/8 on 52% vs. '10 Suns
32/6/7 + great defense vs. '09 Magic

As far as 3 year runs, the only players I can think of off the top of my head with 3 year runs that I'd say were better were Jordan('91-'93), Shaq('00-'02), Bird('84-'86) and Olajuwon('93-'95). Magic has a case for '87-'89 as well.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2008-2010 Kobe we're looking at a three year stretch where he got 30/6/6/2 on 47 FG%, 51 eFG%, 57 TS% including some epic series. 2 rings, 3 finals. Not many have done it better...

His conference finals series:

29/6/4 53% vs. Spurs (who just a year before embarassed Lebron and were top 3 defense)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. Nuggets (shut down Chris Paul that year and top 10 defense)
34/7/8 on 52% vs. Suns (who after the all-star break were top 5 defense)

Playoff Stats Year-by-Year

2008
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT 58TS% 51eFG%

2009
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT 56TS% 49eFG%

2010
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 37%3P 84%FT 57TS% 51eFG%

2x NBA Champion
2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
1x All Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
3x All-Defensive First Team
1x Olympic Gold Medal


That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

His best series in this span....

34/5/6 on 50% vs. '08 Nuggets
29/6/4 on 53% vs. '08 Spurs (#3 ranked defense and a year before embarrassed Lebron)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. '09 Nuggets
33/7/7 on 49% vs. '08 Jazz
34/7/8 on 52% vs. '10 Suns
32/6/7 + great defense vs. '09 Magic

As far as 3 year runs, the only players I can think of off the top of my head with 3 year runs that I'd say were better were Jordan('91-'93), Shaq('00-'02), Bird('84-'86) and Olajuwon('93-'95). Magic has a case for '87-'89 as well.

It's crazy how underrated and disrespected Kobe is.

[The Choken One]

Barkley > Kobe? LOL.

Pau Gasol > Barkley. And Barkley can't even hold a candle to Kobe. Please go.