Is T-Mac the biggest NBA failure in the history of the league?

[Mamba]

Its funny, people call him a failure, yet without injuries i would take a prime tmac > kobe. Tmac just new the game, he saw his man and make the rught pass. he made his team mates better, but somehow they always got a bad match up in the first round.


Oh and btw we did find out if you put any sg next to shaq theyd win a championship fool. His name is dwyane wade and he showed what team mates actually do. Unlike what kobe did and threw shaq under the bus.

[greymatter]

Seriously. Why wouldn't Darko, Olowokandi, Kwame, Adam Morrison enter conversation?

TMac was a 7 time all star and 5 time first or second team NBA member.

GTFO, not a failure at all.

This.

Biggest failures are the guys who had all the skills, talent, and potential in the world and found some way to piss it all away.

Richard Dumas was awesome as a rookie and should have developed into a solid all-star, but was a cokehead.

Earl Manigault was described by Kareem as the greatest baller he'd ever seen. He never made it because he dropped out of college to be a cokehead.

[CavaliersFTW]

CavsFTW, wouldn't you agree that V-Span is the biggest failure in NBA history? I mean, for the "Euroleague GOAT" you'd expect more than 2 PPG on 31%, I think At least T-Mac was a starter...

Easily. He's apparently a top 3 talent in the World and all he amounted too in the NBA was 2ppg on 31%!? Poor guy struggled to even make layups in the NBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4

[Burgz V2]

underachieving =/= failure. T-Mac had an exceptional career and will be remembered as one of the most unique talents and scorers in the history of the NBA. His injuries, plus, injuries of key teammates limited his success, but he still had a better career than 90% of players who come into the league.

Grant Hill only played 47 games between 00/01 and 03/04 seasons, when TMac was traded. Yao Ming, save his first season with Tmac, never played over 57 games a season until Tracy had his microfracture surgery.

People forget how unlucky this guy was, he went to Orlando under the pretences that he, Hill, and Duncan would all sign. Duncan backed out and signed a massive extension with the Spurs. T-Macs best years as a player were wasted playing with nobodies like Pat Garrity and Michael Doleac

Damn I wish he stayed in Toronto. At the very least, him and Vince could have been hurt together and we'd get a lottery pick or two

[RRR3]

Easily. He's apparently a top 3 talent in the World and all he amounted too in the NBA was 2ppg on 31%!? Poor guy struggled to even make layups in the NBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWl-JHATnP4

Damn, even scrubs like T-Mac can make layups.

[Noob Saibot]

Maybe one of the biggest underachievers in NBA history given his level of talent, but certainly not the biggest failure. Even today people still talk about TMac, so that must be a positive.

[ReturnofJPR]

Wince Carter is pretty high up there...

[Y2Gezee]

YOU just want to make up bullshit excuses for a natural born loser. His Chinese team was 16-16 last year, and finished 9th out of 17 teams, and had the same basic core of Chinese rotation players last year that they had this year.

THEN........what do they do this year? They replace Lester Hudson with T-Mac, to "make the playoffs" according to the owner.

And what was the result of that?

They finished in DEAD LAST PLACE, 17th out of 17 teams, with an 8-24 record. And T-Mac was healthy all season. He took the same team and made them much worse.

You are so full of shit. McGrady is a proven team cancer and loser.

The man's career was basically done 2 years ago. Nobody gives a sh*t about China...he's there for a reason. Doesn't take away from the fact that at his peak he was about as good as any 2/3 in NBA history.

Teaming up with Grant Hill and Grant Hill basically not playing, but still occupying like half of their cap isn't an excuse it's a reason as to why the Magic were bad.

Teaming up with Yao, and in the midst of a 22 game winning streak (one of the longest streaks in American sports history) and Yao's career damn near coming to an end after like game 11 of that 22 game streak isn't an excuse. It's a reason.

Just like if Shaq had been playing with Paul Pierce in the early 2000s, and the Lakers never pulled out that immaculate trade for Pau....the narrative would've been that Kobe was an underachiever and Paul Pierce is one of the best ever.

Truth is you have to be extremely lucky in addition to talented in order to win big in American sports. Takes the right star player, right team around him/them, right coach, management, and of course good health.

And it really bothers me that the NBA game more so than any other has gone to placing singular players on pedestals for team and organizational achievements. Just like the Heat. Everyone tries to find the right stat or right game to prove that all of their success is because of Lebron James, and now that they're rolling he's showing he's the best ever. He went to play with Bosh and Wade for a reason...in fact they were both committed first. You think if he'd have chosen the Brooklyn Nets he'd be attempting to play for his 3rd finals appearance in a row and 2nd title? Or if he'd have joined forces with Blake Griffin in LA or if he'd have done what everyone believed he would've and went to NY? No. The title isn't following where Lebron goes, he followed where the title was going.

[steve franchise]

McGrady had all the tools, (length, height, athleticism, skills) to be one of the greatest players in NBA history, he should have dominated the NBA, yet his career is one of the biggest laughing stocks we have ever seen.


- The man went H.A.M. for one season in his entire career (2002-2003)
- Never got out of 1st round (7 or 8 times in a row he lost in 1st round)
- At one point he was playing with the best center in game (Yao), best defender in game (Shane Battier) and even had Artest, Scola and Rafer Alston and he still couldn't get them anywhere.
- It's like he was made of glass, just so weak, so soft , got injured once a month it seemed like.
- Began progressively and sharply declining after 2004-2005, his FG% is in low 40% his whole career. His fall off was even more pathetic than Iverson's.

He was my 2nd favorite player in 2003, and even in 2005 but the man just became the laughing stock of the NBA and fell from top 5 to not mentioned at all after '05.

McGrady never had Artest in the playoffs. McGrady had Scola in 2008, but Yao was injured and Houston faced the same Utah team that went to the Conference finals the previous year.

McGrady played one playoff series with prime Yao Ming in 2007. That's it. This post is definitely agenda driven.

[Solid Snake]

Wince Carter is pretty high up there...

Excuse me sir, it's Wince Harder thank you.

[Lebron23]

[steve franchise]

How was it crazy? Yao was healthy and absolutely shit all over Greg Oden.

Greg Oden wasn't even the starting center? lol Dude just shut the f*ck up. You don't know what you're talking about.

[HardwoodLegend]

The man's career was basically done 2 years ago. Nobody gives a sh*t about China...he's there for a reason. Doesn't take away from the fact that at his peak he was about as good as any 2/3 in NBA history.

Teaming up with Grant Hill and Grant Hill basically not playing, but still occupying like half of their cap isn't an excuse it's a reason as to why the Magic were bad.

Teaming up with Yao, and in the midst of a 22 game winning streak (one of the longest streaks in American sports history) and Yao's career damn near coming to an end after like game 11 of that 22 game streak isn't an excuse. It's a reason.

Just like if Shaq had been playing with Paul Pierce in the early 2000s, and the Lakers never pulled out that immaculate trade for Pau....the narrative would've been that Kobe was an underachiever and Paul Pierce is one of the best ever.

Truth is you have to be extremely lucky in addition to talented in order to win big in American sports. Takes the right star player, right team around him/them, right coach, management, and of course good health.

And it really bothers me that the NBA game more so than any other has gone to placing singular players on pedestals for team and organizational achievements. Just like the Heat. Everyone tries to find the right stat or right game to prove that all of their success is because of Lebron James, and now that they're rolling he's showing he's the best ever. He went to play with Bosh and Wade for a reason...in fact they were both committed first. You think if he'd have chosen the Brooklyn Nets he'd be attempting to play for his 3rd finals appearance in a row and 2nd title? Or if he'd have joined forces with Blake Griffin in LA or if he'd have done what everyone believed he would've and went to NY? No. The title isn't following where Lebron goes, he followed where the title was going.

Killin it so hard.

Wow.

[Sharmer]

T mac averaged 27 PPG in the playoffs throughout his career.

End of debate.

[knicksman]

only idiots thinks hes a failure. Unless you think hes a player worth building around, then no hes not a failure. Hes just another lebron or oscar who cares more about how many triple doubles he has. At least lebron is efficient and will defend. Statpadders are cancerous that they are not really impactful as their stats say so he is on the same league as The AIs, arenas who are inefficient chuckers and getting overrated because of stats.