Peaks - Kobe Bryant vs. Dwyane Wade

[MiamiThrice]

I'm not discrediting anything.

But lets be real, Kobe was a lot better in that Suns series than Wade was against the Hawks. Kobe had that game in which he hit the game tying shot in regulation and then hit the game winner in OT. And then he dropped 50 points and still lost. Sure, Wade's team was kinda crappy, but definitely not as bad as Kobe's 06 team. Not to mention that Suns team was a lot better than the 09 Hawks.

I'll take Lamar Odom over any combination of players on Miamis roster that year.

Here are the playoff numbers
Wade: 29.1 PPG 5.0 RPG 5.1 APG
Kobe: 27.9 PPG 6.3 RPG 5.1 APG

Not to mention Kobe had a 3-1 series lead and essentially quit on his team in that Game 7. He choked.

[Heavincent]

I'll take Lamar Odom over any combination of players on Miamis roster that year.

Here are the playoff numbers
Wade: 29.1 PPG 5.0 RPG 5.1 APG
Kobe: 27.9 PPG 6.3 RPG 5.1 APG

Not to mention Kobe had a 3-1 series lead and essentially quit on his team in that Game 7. He choked.

Sorry, I'm just not taking you seriously at all after this post:

Ill take guys like Love, Chandler, Iguodala over current Kobe Bryant and it's not far-fetchd at all to see why.

[Young X]

I'm saying that scoring 62 points fairly is better than winning a championship unfairly a la refs, bitching and all.

I hope you realize that Kobe shot 25 free throws in that game.

[MiamiThrice]

Sorry, I'm just not taking you seriously at all after this post:

Fair enough, from what I've seen all you're capable of is one-liners with nothing to back your statements with. I appreciate the self-conceding.

Next.

[Papaya Petee]

05-06 wade is better then any playoff version of kobe. 08-09 wade is better then any regular season version of kobe. Wade wins.

[Freedom Kid7]

I hope you realize that Kobe shot 25 free throws in that game.

Okay. Thanks for stating facts. I just can't logically say I'd take '06 Wade over prime Kobe because Wade wasn't fully developed, he had a hell of a lot help from Shaq double teams so he could get open shots, and most importantly Miami got the calls in their favor.

[longtime lurker]

05-06 wade is better then any playoff version of kobe. 08-09 wade is better then any regular season version of kobe. Wade wins.

And he has the MVP's and deep playoff runs to back it up

[WockaVodka]

But lets be real, Kobe was a lot better in that Suns series than Wade was against the Hawks. Kobe had that game in which he hit the game tying shot in regulation and then hit the game winner in OT. And then he dropped 50 points and still lost.

Cherry picking moments doesn't change the fact that like Wade, he lost the 1st round series 4-3 and he also blew a 3-1 lead.

Sure, Wade's team was kinda crappy, but definitely not as bad as Kobe's 06 team. Not to mention that Suns team was a lot better than the 09 Hawks.

Lamar Odom was better than all of Wade's teammates put together in 2009 so I'm really not sure how you could say Wade's team was actually worse when Wade had no 2nd option what so ever.

Suns were a better overall team than the Hawks but the Hawks were a better defensive team.

Kobe's series vs. the Suns was the same to me as Wade's series vs. the Hawks. You need to take those numbers into context. Kobe had superior numbers vs. an inferior defensive team and it wasn't even that much better.

[WockaVodka]

I'm not saying Wade is the better rebounder. I'm saying it's debatable. For one he's smaller than Kobe; not by a lot (just like their rebounding numbers are pretty close) but it can be something that is argued in his favor.

The best argument you could argue is that Wade played with better rebounders throughout his career than Kobe did or played further away from the basket which gave him a lesser chance to get the rebound.

I hate the he is smaller argument because it doesn't matter, all that matters is how many rebounds you pull down.

[Papaya Petee]

And he has the MVP's and deep playoff runs to back it up

Why don't we compare Wade's final averages to Kobe's?
Wade- 28 PPG 7 RPG 5 APG 46% shooting
Kobe- 25 PPG 5 RPG 5 APG 45% shooting
*Lets not mention Kobe's performances vs 2008 Celtics and 2004 Pistons Oh and how can we forget the 15\5\5 37% series vs the Pacers!

Playoff Numbers (career)
Wade-25 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 48% shooting
Kobe- 26 PPG 5 RPG 5 APG 44% shooting

Or better yet, lets compare how they both performed against the same teams in the playoffs.

Wade vs 2009 Celtics- 33 PPG 7 RPG 6 APG 56% shooting 40% 3 PT shooting
Kobe vs 2009 Celtics- 28 PPG 8 RPG 4 APG 40% shooting, including a 6\24 game

Wade vs 2011 Mavericks- 28 PPG 7 RPG 5 APG 53% shooting
Kobe vs 2011 Mavericks- 22 PPG 3 RPG 3 APG 44% shooting

Wade vs 2005 Pistons- 23 PPG 5 APG 5 RPG 44% shooting
Wade vs 2006 Pistons- 28 PPG 6 APG 6 RPG 47% shooting
Kobe vs 2004 Pistons- 22 PPG 4 APG 4 RPG 4 TO 37% shooting

Wade on 2 Championships has 1 FMVP = 50% rate
Kobe on 5 Championships has 2 FMVP= 40% rate

Kobe averages 14.5 games played in each postseason
Wade averages 13.75 games played in each postseason

Wade averages 1 game less in the postseason, yet he hasn't showed deep playoff runs and Kobe has? Kobe is the better playoff performer HOW again?

[longtime lurker]

Why don't we compare Wade's final averages to Kobe's?
Wade- 28 PPG 7 RPG 5 APG 46% shooting
Kobe- 25 PPG 5 RPG 5 APG 45% shooting
*Lets not mention Kobe's performances vs 2008 Celtics and 2004 Pistons Oh and how can we forget the 15\5\5 37% series vs the Pacers!

Playoff Numbers (career)
Wade-25 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 48% shooting
Kobe- 26 PPG 5 RPG 5 APG 44% shooting

Or better yet, lets compare how they both performed against the same teams in the playoffs.

Wade vs 2009 Celtics- 33 PPG 7 RPG 6 APG 56% shooting 40% 3 PT shooting
Kobe vs 2009 Celtics- 28 PPG 8 RPG 4 APG 40% shooting, including a 6\24 game

Wade vs 2011 Mavericks- 28 PPG 7 RPG 5 APG 53% shooting
Kobe vs 2011 Mavericks- 22 PPG 3 RPG 3 APG 44% shooting

Wade vs 2005 Pistons- 23 PPG 5 APG 5 RPG 44% shooting
Wade vs 2006 Pistons- 28 PPG 6 APG 6 RPG 47% shooting
Kobe vs 2004 Pistons- 22 PPG 4 APG 4 RPG 4 TO 37% shooting

Wade on 2 Championships has 1 FMVP = 50% rate
Kobe on 5 Championships has 2 FMVP= 40% rate

Kobe averages 14.5 games played in each postseason
Wade averages 13.75 games played in each postseason

Wade averages 1 game less in the postseason, yet he hasn't showed deep playoff runs and Kobe has? Kobe is the better playoff performer HOW again?

Well the genius that is Papaya Pete said this

05-06 wade is better then any playoff version of kobe. 08-09 wade is better then any regular season version of kobe. Wade wins.

So I don't know why you're bringing up career playoff numbers into an argument about playoff runs.

05-06 Wade Pts 28.4, Rebs 5.9, Assists 5.7
09-10 Kobe Pts 29.2, Rebs 6.0, Assists 5.5

How is Wade significantly better than anything Kobe's ever put up? Not to mention I didn't even pick one of Kobe's better playoff runs because if I did that it would just prove how completely stupid your argument is. I didn't even bring up the fact that one player has more than double the number of championships, more double the the number of finals appearances, Finals MVP's, regular season MVP, all NBA 1st team awards, defensive team awards, records, but hey if a Heat fans says it, it must be true.

[Dictator]

05-06 wade is better then any playoff version of kobe. 08-09 wade is better then any regular season version of kobe. Wade wins.

06 Wade: 27 5 8 49% 26% 4to

01 Kobe: 29 6 5 46% 31% 3to
02 Kobe: 30 7 6 45% 38% 4to
06 Kobe: 35 6 6 45% 34% 3to
07 Kobe: 32 6 5 45% 34% 3to

[amfirst]

Easily Kobe, his peak was unstopable. 1 vs. 4 every night and no one can stop him. Only by out scoring his team like the suns did.

[Doctor Rivers]

No disrespect to Wade, love the guy but Kobe is way above his level.

lol

[G-Funk]

kobe and is not even close