Kobe's Lakers or LeBron's Cavaliers (More Stacked?)

[livinglegend]

Lebron fans ITT

deflect, deflect, deflect,

If they have so many players who can creat for themselves, then why are they 4-13 without Lebron?


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[TheMarkMadsen]

If they have so many players who can creat for themselves, then why are they 4-13 without Lebron?


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what does that W/L record have to do with how many shot creators they have on that team?

That record includes games where half the team was being traded in 2015, includes games where Love missed, includes games where Kyrie missed.

regular season W/L in this context is such a dumb thing to go off of, so no surprise that its your go to argument. Nets swept the HEAT in the regular season a couple years back then got swept in the playoffs.

Guess what buddy? The 2013 Heat were 5-1 without Lebron, guess that means they didn't need him..... right? Since that seems to be your holy grail of arguments.

[livinglegend]

what does that W/L record have to do with how many shot creators they have on that team?

If they have so many shot creators, then they should have dominated even without Lebron.
That clearly wasn't the case as the 4-13 record shows it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Now if you'd like to address the fact that the Cavs have two players other than Lebron who are averaging 20ppg, and how they have a player who is just as good at creating his own look as Lebron in 2016 compared to the Lakers who only had one guy who consistently create his own look in Kobe.. that would be nice.

Kobe led those teams in scoring and assist while putting up 30ppg on 56.4% TS with 6 assist per game

Lebron currently is averaging 24ppg on 57.6% TS with 7 assist per game.. and those scoring/efficiency will go down slightly after today game..

[livinglegend]

Now if you'd like to address the fact that the Cavs have two players other than Lebron who are averaging 20ppg, and how they have a player who is just as good at creating his own look as Lebron in 2016 compared to the Lakers who only had one guy who consistently create his own look in Kobe.. that would be nice.

Kobe led those teams in scoring and assist while putting up 30ppg on 56.4% TS with 6 assist per game

Lebron currently is averaging 24ppg on 57.6% TS with 7 assist per game.. and those scoring/efficiency will go down slightly after today game..

Lebron makes his teammates better.
They haven't even touched the playoffs without Lebron.
And they are 4-13 without Lebron past 2 years.

[TheMarkMadsen]

If they have so many shot creators, then they should have dominated even without Lebron.
That clearly wasn't the case as the 4-13 record shows it.

the 2013 heat were 5-1 without Lebron, which shows that they were stacked af and didn't need Lebron because of their regular season W/L without him that season

great argument

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron makes his teammates better.

by scoring 6 less points per game than Kobe on the same efficiency while dishing out 1 more assist and turning it over 1 more time per game??

[livinglegend]

the 2013 heat were 5-1 without Lebron, which shows that they were stacked af and didn't need Lebron because of their regular season W/L without him that season

great argument

small sample

[livinglegend]

by scoring 6 less points per game than Kobe on the same efficiency while dishing out 1 more assist and turning it over 1 more time per game??

The attention he draws off-ball opens the whole game for his teammates.

[TheMarkMadsen]

small sample

so then why don't you only use the cavs w/l without Lebron this season, instead of combining it with last seasons record when they were a different team and had different pieces

If you're using their W/L record without Lebron from this year, the same will be... six games.. the same sample size that you are saying it too small to judge from the 2013 HEAT.

So you just ruined your own argument by admitting that 6 game sample size is too small to judge

thanks for walking right into that, TOO EASY

[AirBonner]

I say they are pretty equal. Except the lakers didn't have two teams in the playoffs (spurs warriors) that were much better than them.

[livinglegend]

so then why don't you only use the cavs w/l without Lebron this season, instead of combining it with last seasons record when they were a different team and had different pieces

If you're using their W/L record without Lebron from this year, the same will be... six games.. the same sample size that you are saying it too small to judge from the 2013 HEAT.

So you just ruined your own argument by admitting that 6 game sample size is too small to judge

thanks for walking right into that, TOO EASY

Because Love and Irving were shot creators also the year before.

[Bankaii]

how do you not see how stupid that argument is.

The Lakers didn't have anybody who could routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much a Kobe.

But the Cavs do have a player who can routinely get off shots and create for themselves as much as Lebron (who you would call one of the GOAT scorers)

Having that luxury is another reason why this team is more stacked that the Lakers

So you're saying Pau and Odom couldn't create shots for themselves?

[ShawkFactory]

Love is not a better player than Pau was.

Don't care about anything else here.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So you're saying Pau and Odom couldn't create shots for themselves?

can you read??