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Old 03-23-2019, 03:27 AM   #241
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Okay. You, TheMan, and Chewing believe you are wiser than God now.

At least you may have a few decades to rethink that.


The following are Bible verses stressing the importance of submission to God's Will.

Islam TRANSLATES to submission to God's Will.




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Of course I'm not wiser than God. But I am wiser than any man who believes he can speak with authority on God's behalf.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:33 AM   #242
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At the end of the day if someone sees you sitting on a rug in the middle of a workday praying to your god, they are going to be hard pressed to take anything you say seriously.

That’s just how it is.
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Old 03-23-2019, 09:47 AM   #243
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Okay. You, TheMan, and Chewing believe you are wiser than God now.

At least you may have a few decades to rethink that.


The following are Bible verses stressing the importance of submission to God's Will.

Islam TRANSLATES to submission to God's Will.




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What you talkin' bout, Willis?? I'm a God-fearing Christian man!


Through Christ, all things are possible. Even apostasy. Embrace the trinity. Come to Christ, brother.


Our women don't have to cover themselves up!
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:39 PM   #244
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Of course I'm not wiser than God.

You claimed that Islam and Christianity "both need to go".

Whatever you choose in your heart to replace the aforementioned with, you think is superior for the welfare of mankind. That shows that you think you know better than God---who revealed the Qu'ran to mankind, which is also called the Furqan (criterion of right and wrong).

You replaced what was right and wrong, with whatever your "logic" and your "feelings" thinks and now you are showing opinions that clearly show you think you know better than the Almighty.

You thinking Islam is "evil"(when Islam essentially means complete submission to God's Will) is just about enough to show where you stand, Prometheus.

I am saying undoubtedly that the Qu'ran comes from God. That's a principle aspect of belief.

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. But I am wiser than any man who believes he can speak with authority on God's behalf.

I'm not speaking on God's behalf but that's what Muhammad (PBUH) did---he was the Messenger of God (PBUH).


Here's a Biblical verse on it.
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Deuteronomy 18:18 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

And you can do research yourself on the man's accomplishments, how he was foreshadowed in Hindu Scriptures as well, and what he was able to do. You can read the Qu'ran from front to back and come to your conclusion. No errors whatsoever are in that book.

Now the question stands---is the Qu'ran the Word of God? That's something you'll have to answer Prometheus, before you pass away.
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:44 PM   #245
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At the end of the day if someone sees you sitting on a rug in the middle of a workday praying to your god, they are going to be hard pressed to take anything you say seriously.

That’s just how it is.

Thank you for reaffirming what the Qu'ran says.

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وَإِذَا نَـدَيْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَوةِ اتَّخَذُوهَا هُزُواً وَلَعِباً ذلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْقِلُونَ
(58. And when you proclaim the call for the Salah, they take it (but) as a mockery and fun; that is because they are a people who understand not.)
Surah 5 Al Maeda Verse 57-58

Certainly, that is part of the test. Most assuredly, I nor anyone else require nor desire your approval or of the people who mock sacred things.

Certainly, it has happened before as the earlier Muslims were tested---mocked--jeered--boycotted--tortured--slaughtered.
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:49 PM   #246
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What you talkin' bout, Willis?? I'm a God-fearing Christian man!


Through Christ, all things are possible. Even apostasy. Embrace the trinity. Come to Christ, brother.


Our women don't have to cover themselves up!


Thanks for the tempting offer, Mr. Chewing, but I respectfully decline.

Would you be so kind as to reflect on the following?

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And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say; “Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper (120).
Those to whom We have given the Book read it as it aught to be read. These (it is who) believe in it; and whoever disbelieves in it, these it is that are the losers (121).

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O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

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Old 03-23-2019, 06:25 PM   #247
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It's a shame more Muslims don't actually read the Quran, especially the part where it says they must not live amongst western societies and non believers.

Then they could live in peace in there sand huts marrying there cousins in paradise


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Old 03-24-2019, 07:25 AM   #248
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Thank you for reaffirming what the Qu'ran says.

What the Qu'ran says doesn't make my original statement any less truthful. People see someone pulling out a rug and praying on it in a hospital supply closet and chalk it up as abnormal behavior.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:23 AM   #249
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You claimed that Islam and Christianity "both need to go".

Whatever you choose in your heart to replace the aforementioned with, you think is superior for the welfare of mankind. That shows that you think you know better than God---who revealed the Qu'ran to mankind, which is also called the Furqan (criterion of right and wrong).

You replaced what was right and wrong, with whatever your "logic" and your "feelings" thinks and now you are showing opinions that clearly show you think you know better than the Almighty.

You thinking Islam is "evil"(when Islam essentially means complete submission to God's Will) is just about enough to show where you stand, Prometheus.

I am saying undoubtedly that the Qu'ran comes from God. That's a principle aspect of belief.



I'm not speaking on God's behalf but that's what Muhammad (PBUH) did---he was the Messenger of God (PBUH).


Here's a Biblical verse on it.


And you can do research yourself on the man's accomplishments, how he was foreshadowed in Hindu Scriptures as well, and what he was able to do. You can read the Qu'ran from front to back and come to your conclusion. No errors whatsoever are in that book.

Now the question stands---is the Qu'ran the Word of God? That's something you'll have to answer Prometheus, before you pass away.

No, it was written by man - as all words that have ever been written.

God is beyond words and also beyond apprehension. There is no such thing as a prophet - it is beyond the limitations of mortal existence to speak directly on behalf of God.

Your certainty is based on nothing. Trust, I suppose. At one point, you wanted to believe, and a genuine desire is all it takes. Islam describes itself with such finality and certainty as to make itself irresistable to the mind which craves answers to unanswerable questions, as well as very frightening to the rest of us. It's quite insane, actually.
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