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Old 07-03-2018, 07:41 PM   #46
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Gonna have to elaborate.

She was like 95% substance, 5% identity politics. If you actually look at her platform it's plain to see. The media is over-emphasizing her select few areas where she deviates from that to distract from most of her agenda being almost completely in line with the mainstream.
I'm not talking about her specifically, just the fact that saying a "Bernie breed" talks about real issues only.

That's like saying that Gavin Newsom would make a good governor in Cali.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:12 PM   #47
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I'm not talking about her specifically, just the fact that saying a "Bernie breed" talks about real issues only.

That's like saying that Gavin Newsom would make a good governor in Cali.

But honestly, which politician is more heavy on substance over style than Sanders? Politicians are mostly all fluff. Even if you disagree vehemently with everything Bernie pushes for, when do you ever hear a guy like him go off the rails?

Doesn't rely on identity politics, willing to talk about income inequality, class issues, race issues, and has proposed solutions for all of it. It almost seems against his personality to get bogged down in the theatrics.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:42 PM   #48
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Democrats Hate Black People #walkaway

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Old 07-03-2018, 09:42 PM   #49
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But honestly, which politician is more heavy on substance over style than Sanders? Politicians are mostly all fluff. Even if you disagree vehemently with everything Bernie pushes for, when do you ever hear a guy like him go off the rails?

Doesn't rely on identity politics, willing to talk about income inequality, class issues, race issues, and has proposed solutions for all of it. It almost seems against his personality to get bogged down in the theatrics.


He's obliterated on both sides though...rigged with the D's, and propped as some wealthy aristocrat by R's.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:28 PM   #50
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He's obliterated on both sides though...rigged with the D's, and propped as some wealthy aristocrat by R's.

You ain't lyin', can't argue with that.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:54 AM   #51
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He's obliterated on both sides though...rigged with the D's, and propped as some wealthy aristocrat by R's.

I think its mainly the D's in his way, they are the ones who cheated him out of a fair fight after all.

While many republicans (esp the high income ones) dislike some of Bernies policies, he has many policies that strongly appeal to right-wing voters (like reducing war spending). More importantly tho, republicans seem to generally view Bernie as an honest and decent man. Its extremely rare for people to view their own parties politicians as honest and decent, and believing that an opposing politician is honest and decent is virtually unheard of. The only people who believe Bernie is a wealthy aristocrat are completely braindead simpletons who voted for jabronies like Ted Cruz.

In a world with a fair democrat primary, Bernie is president right now. Bernie would have absolutely steamrolled Trump, he is strong in all of the places that Hillary was weak (war, trade, inequality, healthcare, honesty/integrity, etc), and more importantly he is actually respected by the american people. While the republicans in my social circle dislike some of Bernies policies, every single one of them seems to respect him as a person... IMO no other candidate has been so widely respected since FDR.

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Old 07-05-2018, 12:26 PM   #52
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Democrats Hate Black People #walkaway

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Democrats bleeding out. From all sides.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:03 PM   #53
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dems will win in 2020 regardless. people will come out in masses against trump and it's as simple as that imo. traditional conservatives will vote against the guy. trump loses more supporters than he gains by the month, and by the time 2020 hits i think it'll be a historic landslide. he will always have that die hard 30% that supports him, though. shit, trump could rape their children and they'd still support him.

Trump is doing extremely great with the economy and practically everything else, he's turning people to his side everyday.

There was a poll that most people who voted for him would still vote for him today, then you gotta counter in millions of people who aren't sheep and see that he's doing really really good AND you gotta counter in that dems have NOTHING to counter him with.
Joe Biden? A fkin pedophile, he'll get roasted by Trump harder than Jeb was.

Warren is an absolute nutcase, even dems don't support her

There's literally nothing left
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Old 07-22-2018, 11:00 AM   #54
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This chick went from being the Great Brown Hope to the female Gary Johnson in only a few weeks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtCKUia2FC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggA9opoDTI



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Old 07-22-2018, 04:21 PM   #55
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This chick went from being the Great Brown Hope to the female Gary Johnson in only a few weeks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggA9opoDTI


Holy shit. It's the Latina Sarah Palin! She's hot like Palin was too but could use some more thickness. Feed your bitch some cheeseburgers Bernie.
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:39 PM   #56
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This chick went from being the Great Brown Hope to the female Gary Johnson in only a few weeks..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtCKUia2FC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IggA9opoDTI





it's almost 2019 and this is the best they've come up with .. they are ****ed
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:33 PM   #57
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You know the walkaway "movement" is fake right?


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Kremlin-affiliated trolls have subversively co-opted #WalkAway as an influence campaign, data appears to show. The hashtag is boosting visibility for a right-wing-hyped non-movement of disenchanted liberals who are supposedly abandoning the Democratic Party in a bid to breed division.

Data available through Hamilton 68, an analysis project focused on monitoring agitprop and backed by the Alliance for Securing Democracy, shows that swarms of Russian troll accounts made #WalkAway one of the highest ranking hashtags on Twitter in the past 48 hours.

One writer for Arc Digital noticed similar trends and came to the same conclusion.

The primary functional goal of an astroturfed campaign like this one is to manipulate public opinion by gaming online algorithms to amplify certain content and push it onto people’s social media feeds and to the top of search engine results,” wrote behavioral scientist Caroline Orr.

The #WalkAway hashtag itself can be sourced back to a YouTube video posted in May by New York-based hairdresser Brandon Straka. In the video, Straka explains how he had grown disillusioned by liberalism and the Democratic Party which, he argued, merely used people of color and LGBTQ people but did little to advance their agenda. He then calls on others who feel the same to #WalkAway from the Democratic Party—thus launching the campaign.

Little had come of it until last week, when right-wing media outlets and leading conservatives discovered the video and began circulating it online. Coverage by websites like the Gateway Pundit and Breitbart hailed the news as a watershed moment, claiming that liberals were abandoning their party “in droves.”

The Daily Dot reported on how, even at that early stage and among the dozens of real ex-Democrats telling their stories, bot Twitter accounts were already beginning to exploit the rising conversation. One collected 16,000 retweets before being banned.

This is a fake/bot account trying to make #WalkAway happen. 16k RTs for "Sofia Vargoros," a bot with a profile pic stolen from — I am not kidding — a book about getting rich from penny stocks. pic.twitter.com/wTwphtPS23

— Sarah Lertzman (@sllertzman) July 1, 2018

The U.S. intelligence community has, of course, made clear its assessment that Russia had sought to “undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process” during the 2016 presidential election. In February, special counsel Robert Mueller in a series of indictments laid out at least part of the framework by which the Kremlin had sought to do that.

Mueller brought charges against Russian nationals and troll farm the Internet Research Agency, which employed hundreds of individuals in a complex operation that involved the creation of thousands of fake personas to “conduct information warfare against the United States.”

These are the same kind of bot networks that Hamilton 68 has repeatedly found to be commandeering or simply amplifying highly partisan social media campaigns, like #ReleaseTheMemo or #WalkAway, in a bid to disrupt and suppress any Democratic momentum.

As the nation prepares for the 2018 midterms elections, and Democrats tout a surge of support coined the “blue wave,” these influence operations are likely to become more and more common.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:04 PM   #58
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You know the walkaway "movement" is fake right?

You guys blame "muh Russia" for literally every shortcoming of the Democrats... dear God.

#WalkAway is very real actually; I myself "walked away" in 2007. You can watch many video testimonials of others who have done the same. Your party is not the utopia you think it is.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:11 PM   #59
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I think its mainly the D's in his way, they are the ones who cheated him out of a fair fight after all.

While many republicans (esp the high income ones) dislike some of Bernies policies, he has many policies that strongly appeal to right-wing voters (like reducing war spending). More importantly tho, republicans seem to generally view Bernie as an honest and decent man. Its extremely rare for people to view their own parties politicians as honest and decent, and believing that an opposing politician is honest and decent is virtually unheard of. The only people who believe Bernie is a wealthy aristocrat are completely braindead simpletons who voted for jabronies like Ted Cruz.

In a world with a fair democrat primary, Bernie is president right now. Bernie would have absolutely steamrolled Trump, he is strong in all of the places that Hillary was weak (war, trade, inequality, healthcare, honesty/integrity, etc), and more importantly he is actually respected by the american people. While the republicans in my social circle dislike some of Bernies policies, every single one of them seems to respect him as a person... IMO no other candidate has been so widely respected since FDR.

I may have voted for Bernie or sat out like I originally planned, but while it seems like he should have beaten Trump, I'm not sure. You don't really know until you face off directly against Trump. Trump can bring anyone down to the level of base shit slinging. I don't think you can shrug it off. The question is could he respond well? Trump won by talking mad shit as well as his policies, but someone not as gifted at shit talking as Trump with similar policies loses to everyone prol even Hillary.

Hillary tried the o Donald thing, it doesn't work. In this age you gotta have some hard hitting sound bytes. Trump may have clowned Bernie off the stage.

Trump was much more of a political force than we all thought at the time.

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Old 07-22-2018, 09:07 PM   #60
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^ It's not a slam dunk Bernie would've have beaten him, but it stands to reason that with less negative shit to stick to him (besides that 1972 essay he wrote that the right would have tried to beat into submission), Sanders would have been able to expose Trump's lack of education on the issues by keeping the conversation as substance-driven as possible. He certainly wouldn't have won 75-80% negative ads the way Hillary did.

The way to beat Trump is to present a clear vision and go after it, not to try to dribble out the clock and pray your opponent's shortcomings do 80% of the work for you. He wouldn't have rested on those laurels.

It's impossible to know for sure how it would've played out last time, but hindsight is... 2020.
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