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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
It cuts both ways, depending on the year. In 08' the 39 win 8 seed Hawks gave the Celtics a tougher series than the WC champ 57 win Lakers did. Series come down to match ups, small sample size, health at the time of the series, etc.
That's true. That's the interesting thing with how teams matchup. Actually to that point, both the Hawks and the Cavs took the Celts to 7, while the Pistons/Lakers were outed in 6. Just based on records the latter two teams were the 'best' but that didn't manifest itself on the court in terms of matchups. Though it makes me wonder if the Celts played to their competition that year.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
It cuts both ways, depending on the year. In 08' the 39 win 8 seed Hawks gave the Celtics a tougher series than the WC champ 57 win Lakers did. Series come down to match ups, small sample size, health at the time of the series, etc.
But the 2014 Finals was the 2nd largest beatdown in finals history (after 2018).
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
It cuts both ways, depending on the year. In 08' the 39 win 8 seed Hawks gave the Celtics a tougher series than the WC champ 57 win Lakers did. Series come down to match ups, small sample size, health at the time of the series, etc.
True but we saw the same exact matchup the year prior. Spurs offense was 109 in 2013 finals and 121 in 2014 finals. Massive increase due to Kawhi's dominance over the 3 game win stretch.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
When we discuss the 2014 Finals, we have to remind people that it was THAT BAD.
Not sure why you could quote someone's averages if they led their team to that type of beating.
As many bad matchups we've had in the finals throughout the history of NBA, only one other team has suffered a beating similar to the one in 2014.
So put those stats into context...
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by Phoenix
That's true. That's the interesting thing with how teams matchup. Actually to that point, both the Hawks and the Cavs took the Celts to 7, while the Pistons/Lakers were outed in 6. Just based on records the latter two teams were the 'best' but that didn't manifest itself on the court in terms of matchups. Though it makes me wonder if the Celts played to their competition that year.
They did the same thing the next year, 7 games against the 7th seeded Bulls and 7 games against the Magic (no KG but they were still a top 5 team sans KG). The year after 7 against the Lakers. Then in 2012, 7 games against the 8 seeded Sixers (who got to the ECSF only because Rose went down) and 7 against the Heatles.
They just seemed to find themselves in a lot of 7 game series, whether against inferior, superior or equal comp.
True but we saw the same exact matchup the year prior. Spurs offense was 109 in 2013 finals and 121 in 2014 finals. Massive increase due to Kawhi's dominance over the 3 game win stretch.
Yeah, Kawhi's improvement was a big reason the Spurs improved. Kawhi improved while Wade, Bosh regressed.
The other "rematch" no one talks about is the Pacers. The 49 win Pacers took the 66 win Heat to 7 but the 56 win Pacers lost fairly convincingly to the 54 win Heat in 14'.
Not sure why you could quote someone's averages if they led their team to that type of beating.
54 wins and the Finals with LeBron; 37 wins and 10th in the East without him. That's why it comes up.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Wade had a one-off bad series in the 14' Finals because the Spurs were the only team that succeeded in exploiting Lebron, and Wade was the casualty (turned into a spot-up shooter by the Spurs)
Otherwise, Wade averaged 20/5/5 (prime Pippen stats) from the 13' Finals through the 14' ECF - he just had one bad series in the Finals and then was back to prime Pippen stats in 15' and 16'.
Last edited by 3ball; 08-13-2020 at 08:08 PM.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
The reality is that the 14' Heat needed Lebron to be better than "very good" to win.. they needed him to average 40 - that's 12 more than he got
12 points more would've been enough because a 12 point increase turned around a series with LONGER odds.. Lebron was down 3-1 to the Warriors while averaging 24 ppg, but then went 3-0 after increasing his ppg to 36.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by 3ball
The reality is that the 14' Heat needed Lebron to be better than "very good" to win.. they needed him to average 40 - that's 12 more than he got
12 points more would've been enough because a 12 point increase turned around a series with LONGER odds.. Lebron was down 3-1 to the Warriors while averaging 24 ppg, but then went 3-0 after increasing his ppg to 36.
Points come from Shots. So take 7 shots away from another player. Dumb.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by FromDowntown
Points come from Shots. So take 7 shots away from another player. Dumb.
He and his minions lack a basic understanding of the game. As if LeBron's extra shots would come for free--not merely shift shots from other players.
at hyping 14' Wade. He was 28th in BPM and 51st in VORP. He was worse in the playoffs as his BPM went from 2.9 to 0.9 in the playoffs.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by FromDowntown
Points come from Shots. So take 7 shots away from another player. Dumb.
Games don't have a pre-set number of possessions to be played - the players and the action determines how many possessions there are.
MJ got 41 and Pippen got 21 in the 1993 Finals - why can't lebron/wade or lebron/bosh do that?
If lebron was in 40 ppg beast mode (not passive mouse mode) - this difference in his play has a ripple effect.. his volume will spearhead a team advantage on the offensive glass (not included in pace numbers).. and the pressure he applies will dictate a greater pace as the team operates at full capacity
Last edited by 3ball; 08-13-2020 at 08:57 PM.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by 3ball
Games don't have a pre-set number of possessions to be played - the players and the action determines how many possessions there are.
MJ got 41 and Pippen got 21 in the 1993 Finals - why can't lebron/wade or lebron/bosh do that?
No one
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
4th year celtics are still contenders until ainge traded perk while 4th year heat is done. And heat still needed the refs against 5th year celtics. Thats all you really need to know about lebron ball. And also proof that skillset >>>> stats. Celtics have better chemistry coz of their superior skillset despite having lesser players.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Originally Posted by knicksman
4th year celtics are still contenders until ainge traded perk while 4th year heat is done. And heat still needed the refs against 5th year celtics. Thats all you really need to know about lebron ball. And also proof that skillset >>>> stats. Celtics have better chemistry coz of their superior skillset despite having lesser players.
Your favorite player the late Kobe Bryant was literally shooting bricks in the 2004 and 2008 nba finals.
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Re: 2014 wade/bosh excuse exposed
Lebron shot 20% with me on him that series.
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