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Old 05-10-2007, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Revisiting the Shaq to Dallas rumor in 04

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DALLAS -- The Los Angeles Lakers, by all indications, are unwilling to rush into a Shaquille O'Neal trade before Thursday's NBA Draft.

That didn't stop the Dallas Mavericks from making a trade Wednesday they hope will speed up the Lakers' timetable.

League sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that the Mavericks have agreed to send Antawn Jamison, the newly minted Sixth Man of the Year, to Washington for Thursday's No. 5 overall pick, as well as veterans Jerry Stackhouse and one-time Maverick Christian Laettner.


The Mavericks, sources say, hope to use that No. 5 pick to sweeten the package they can offer the Lakers in exchange for the disgruntled O'Neal, who remains intent on forcing his exit to Texas.

ESPN's David Aldridge reported Thursday that the Mavs have offered their No. 5 pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers in part of a package deal for Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Earlier, ESPN.com's Andy Katz reported that the Mavericks offered their pick to the Boston Celtics for Boston's three first-rounders (Nos. 15, 24, 25) and were rejected.

Dallas, meanwhile, is also attempting to construct additional trades that could include Stackhouse or Laettner. New York is known to have interest in Stackhouse, but early discussions between the teams have stalled, with the Mavericks apparently not interested in reacquiring Dallas native Kurt Thomas.

Stein reported late Tuesday that, according to Lakers sources, L.A. refuses to deal O'Neal to its Western Conference rival unless Dallas makes Dirk Nowitzki available. Mavericks sources maintain that Nowitzki remains off-limits, even though the Mavericks know O'Neal considers them his No. 1 choice for a new team.

It's believed that Dallas, in hopes of constructing a deal to tempt L.A. without including Nowitzki, plans to add the No. 5 pick to an offer that could also include two former All-Stars -- point guard Steve Nash (via sign-and-trade) and forward Antoine Walker (who has just one year left on his contract) -- and one or two promising rookies (Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels).

If the Lakers do eventually consent to trade O'Neal, in the wake of his demand for a trade last week, their goal would be injecting their roster with quality youth and depth to surround a re-signed Kobe Bryant. Dallas' contention is that no club has more options to satisfy L.A.'s needs.

It's unlikely the Lakers would be interested in Stackhouse, who is due $7 million next season, $7.5 million the following year and $8 million after that.

If the Mavericks can't get the Lakers to budge on their Nowitzki-or-nada stance, the trade still gives them a shot at acquiring a new center, since Dallas might consider Pavel Podkolzine, the 7-5 mystery from Russia, with the No. 5 pick. The Mavericks would also have two expiring contracts (Walker's and Laettner's) to peddle in future deals between now and next February's trade deadline.

Dallas did not previously have a first-round pick in the draft, having traded it last summer to Boston in the deal forWalker.

Jamison's appeal to the Wizards is obvious. Instead of gambling on more youth at No. 5 to add to a roster already lacking experience, Washington gets an established frontcourt scorer who should contend for an All-Star spot in the East after accepting a bench role without complaint in Dallas.

The Wizards had made it clear they weren't enamored with any of their choices at the top of the draft. Taking Jamison, a proven scorer over his six-year career in Dallas and Golden State, is a much safer move, even if he is owed nearly $58 million over the next four years.

For the Mavericks, all moves for the immediate future will be viewed as positioning for a prospective trade for O'Neal.

Other than the pick/Podkolzine aspect, the benefit of getting Laettner is that he's going into the last year of his contract, like Walker. That makes them commodities because their salaries -- a combined $20.8 million -- would open huge cap room next summer.

Their combined salaries put Dallas much closer to the $23.5 million needed to get within the league-mandated 15 percent of O'Neal's $27.7 million price tag.

Stackhouse has averaged 21 points per game over his nine-year career, but he played only 26 games last season because of injuries, mainly to his right knee.

This is the second time the Mavs have acquired Laettner. He played 53 games in the 2000-01 season, then was dealt to Washington in an eight-player trade that brought Juwan Howard to Dallas.

Dallas acquired Jamison last summer expecting to pair him at forward with Nowitzki, then bumped him to the bench when Walker arrived during training camp. He accepted the demotion and savored the team's success as he made the playoffs for the first time.

He was rewarded by earning the league's Sixth Man award, but made it clear he wanted to be a starter next season. Trading Walker, which the Mavs are certainly trying to do, would have cleared a spot for him, but Dallas apparently felt this deal moves them closer to their ultimate goal of O'Neal.

For Jamison, going to another losing team will certainly diminish the fact he'll be starting again. The Wizards haven't made the playoffs since 1997 and haven't won a postseason game since 1988.

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

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Old 05-10-2007, 08:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Revisiting the Shaq to Dallas rumor in 04

Hindsight is always 20-20. Lakers decision makers are no different then than now.... so perhaps there's a lesson to be learned about what will happen in the future.

Time for a management shakeup?



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Old 05-10-2007, 08:57 PM   #3
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well at the time nash was not the nash we have seem lately but walker was the walker he's been of late so i can see why that didn't go down...
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:59 PM   #4
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well at the time nash was not the nash we have seem lately but walker was the walker he's been of late so i can see why that didn't go down...

Imagine if we could have got Nash and Howard, that would have been great for us. But its the past so lets look forward and just HOPE management comes through this time.
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Old 05-10-2007, 10:40 PM   #5
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Default Re: Revisiting the Shaq to Dallas rumor in 04

Wow!! :

Nash
Kobe
Howard
Walker
Mihm

+ whoever!!

The #5 pick that year was Devin Harris, for Dallas. Weren't any good bigs that year (After Dwight and Omeka), but at #5, the Lakers had their choice of some pretty good notable players...

Loul Deng
Andre Igoudala
Josh Smith
Al Jefferson
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Old 05-10-2007, 11:01 PM   #6
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when we look back in retrospect of that season after the shaq trade remeber that the team wass constructed with rudy T's input fr his fast paced 3 point shooting offense... that was obviously a failure and phil came in and pronounced the team as assembled a good foundation that needed some minor tweaking...

so though i agree management has not done all they could do, i temper that with the fact that two top coaches had their hands in assembling the team...

the problem is that the two coaches have such diverse styles that there is no way in hell that management could turn around in one season and make all the correct moves...
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^gts makes a good point...

however, there;s no doubt that since then, the Lakers management has made some truly bogus moves that we have all listed here many times... as if they really did not have a strategy in place. Remember that posting about different people in the Lakers organization having long term goals vs. short term goals?


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Old 05-11-2007, 12:21 AM   #8
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Default Re: Revisiting the Shaq to Dallas rumor in 04

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Wow!! :

Nash
Kobe
Howard
Walker
Mihm

+ whoever!!

The #5 pick that year was Devin Harris, for Dallas. Weren't any good bigs that year (After Dwight and Omeka), but at #5, the Lakers had their choice of some pretty good notable players...

Loul Deng
Andre Igoudala
Josh Smith
Al Jefferson

back in 04 we didn't know howard was going to turn out the player he is now.
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Old 05-12-2007, 01:34 AM   #9
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back in 04 we didn't know howard was going to turn out the player he is now.

I knew that he was a better college player than most of the people picked ahead of him. ACC player of the years just don't grow on trees
Of course Marquis Daniels was an unknown commodity.

Nash was All Star caliber, Walker only had a year left on his K, and the #5 pick was gravy.

Bottom line is....when you trade, perhaps one of the most dominant players ever, in any sport, you'd better at least get an All*Star player in return.

Odom+Caron+Grant= 0 All*Star appearances
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Old 05-12-2007, 01:59 AM   #10
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Odom+Caron+Grant= 0 All*Star appearances

Caron had one this year
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