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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kblaze8855 View Post
    A post injury 15ppg in the playoffs defensive oriented David Robinson in 99 was easily the best teammate Duncan had till he was 3 rings in.

    They won the title isolating him over and over while Elliot needing a kidney transplant had like 2 points and Drob might have had 12. Second ring he’s got young TP still so inconsistent Pop was pulling him for Speedy Claxton and Manu who I think did about 9ppg on 40% shooting and couldn’t go long without needing to be pulled. Tony obviously grew to be a very good player but the closest thing to a superstar he played with between 1998 and Leonard’s last couple seasons there was Manu when he’d fully adjusted to the nba and that was generally off the bench for like 28 minutes.

    The spurs were rarely some super talented team.
    A decisive end to the thread. And while Steph has proven without a shadow of a doubt he didn't need KD to win even multiple titles, the fact is half of his titles still came with KD outscoring him and winning FMVP, and the Warriors would never be considered dynasty status without 2017 & 2018.

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    A decisive end to the thread. And while Steph has proven without a shadow of a doubt he didn't need KD to win even multiple titles, the fact is half of his titles still came with KD outscoring him and winning FMVP, and the Warriors would never be considered dynasty status without 2017 & 2018.

    Duncan landed alongside David Robinson and an all-time coach

    It's laughable to think that he created a dynasty with little help

    The historical record shows that no one started with a 7 ppg rookie sidekick and won with less all-star help than Jordan - no one is close to this level of organic development - everyone else had pieces in place or existing good players on the team when they started..

    ONLY JORDAN started with literally nothing... a 7 ppg sidekick and no all-star teammates - no one has started with less

    but keep ignoring the facts - they aren't going anywhere lol

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Not sure if 2 championships separated by 7 seasons is considered a dynasty.

    I consider the Warriors dynasty started when Durant joined and over when Durant left.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Less help? Bro, what?

    Klay Thompson - 5x All Star (missed 2 years)
    Draymond Green - 4x All Star, DPOY
    Kevin Durant - 12x All Star, MVP, 2x Finals MVP

    That’s not counting the let me another great role players that surrounded these guys. Better than normal role players as well, Andre Iguodala, Jordan Poole, etc.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Duncan landed alongside David Robinson and an all-time coach

    It's laughable to think that he created a dynasty with little help

    The historical record shows that no one started with a 7 ppg rookie sidekick and won with less all-star help than Jordan - no one is close to this level of organic development - everyone else had pieces in place or existing good players on the team when they started..

    ONLY JORDAN started with literally nothing... a 7 ppg sidekick and no all-star teammates - no one has started with less

    but keep ignoring the facts - they aren't going anywhere lol
    So the fakkit who drones on about ppg is now hyping up the Robinson who averaged less ppg in '99 than Pippen did for any title run? Ditto Parker in '03. And Pop's experience/credentials when Duncan arrived were no better than Phil's when he went to the Bulls.

    Duncan won 4 superstar titles without another All-NBA player on the team, something Jordan only did once.

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    Duncan arguably wasn’t the best player on all four of his championships. Nobody counts the 1999 championship, worst NBA season in modern times by far. It was the first lockout, so many players came in to the season fat and out of shape. And they were lucky that the Bulls got dismantled a year early, otherwise they definitely would’ve won. When the eighth seed Ewing less Knicks got to the finals, that should tell you something. The culture change of the spurs, was equal parts Gregg Popovich and Tim Duncan, and Timmy played with a litany of great players. Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili, Steven Jackson, Kawhi Leonard, even old David Robinson. More fallacy myth making for Tim Duncan.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    rookie Klay > rookie Pippen


    88' PIPPEN...................... 7.9 ppg... bench-warmer

    12' KLAY......................... 12.5 ppg... starter
    12' DAVID LEE................. All-NBA
    12' MONTA ELLIS............. All-Star


    People simply forget that Jordan is the most organic winner of all-time - he started with absolutely nothing, while Curry enjoyed Klay as a starter in 2012 and multiple all-star teammates.

    Meanwhile, Lebron entered the league with the East all-star center on his team and added a 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran high seed.
    ???

    Are you saying David Lee was All-NBA in the 2012 season where the Warriors were 23-43 that Curry mostly missed due to ankle injury?

    Can you show me when Monta Ellis was ever an All-Star?

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    I might wanna throw in IT. Without Thomas they did not have a clear cut scorer down the stretch and floor general. Dumars is great 2 way player but probably the least offensively gifted as the others mentioned.
    This is a good snapshot of just how good IT was at carrying this team.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamgine View Post
    Not sure if 2 championships separated by 7 seasons is considered a dynasty.

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    With no back-to-backs...not a dynasty.

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Nobody counts the 1999 championship
    Yeah, it counts. You don't have to like it, but Duncan is factually a 5x champion. And we all know if Jordan had won that year you would never in a million years say that shit

    And they were lucky that the Bulls got dismantled a year early, otherwise they definitely would’ve won
    The Bulls nearly lost to the Pacers & Jazz the year before, they were clearly on their last legs during that '98 run. Could the Bulls have won in '99? Sure. Would they have "definitely" won? Absolutely not, and it's a ridiculous claim to make. Duncan & Robinson would've absolutely annihilated the Bulls frontcourt, that's a series the Spurs were very capable of winning.

    Timmy played with a litany of great players. Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili, Steven Jackson, Kawhi Leonard, even old David Robinson.
    Yeah, nobody said Duncan didn't have a great roster around him, you don't have the ridiculous amount of success that he did without one. But Blaze is right, those first 2 titles he had some of the weakest championship supporting casts ever, especially in '03.

    More fallacy myth making for Tim Duncan.
    Let's see you keep that same energy the next time 3ball claims Pippen was Jeff Green caliber

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    as if Curry could walk into the Warrior's owner's office and say "you've probably been the stingiest owner in the history of this sport."

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents View Post
    Let's see you keep that same energy the next time 3ball claims Pippen was Jeff Green caliber

    Outside the triangle and dynasty chemistry that he grew up in (system player), Pippen averaged 14 ppg in 1999 and was easily a worse scorer than Jeff Green

    That's the historical record and you can't show me where Pippen was greater than Jeff Green outside the triangle because it doesn't exist.

    Houston hated Pippen and traded the 6-time champion for nothing
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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Outside the triangle and dynasty chemistry that he grew up in (system player), Pippen averaged 14 ppg in 1999 and was easily a worse scorer than Jeff Green

    That's the historical record and you can't show me where Pippen was greater than Jeff Green outside the triangle because it doesn't exist.

    Houston hated Pippen and traded the 6-time champion for nothing
    Did you take into account playing behind Barkley and Hakeem?
    Or playing on a balanced scoring attack led by Rasheed Wallace and Stoudemire?
    Or tell us when Barkley outscored Jordan by 4 points a game despite play 5 more minutes?

    Again 3ball pulls stats with no context

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephonit View Post

    Are you saying David Lee was All-NBA in the 2012 season


    David Lee was All-NBA in 2013 when Curry was healthy - Lee led the Warriors to 47 wins that year as the team's only All-NBA player, so this entire thread is moot based on that alone

    And Steph joined a 25 ppg guy in Monta, while rookie Klay averaged 13 and started.

    That doesn't compare to Jordan having no all-star or All-NBA teammates and rookie Pippen was an 8 ppg bench-warmer

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    Default Re: Has any other player created a dynasty with less help than Stephen Curry?

    Quote Originally Posted by hateraid View Post

    stats with no context



    Here's the context - Houston hated Pippen:








    So they traded the 6-time champion for nothing asap

    Pippen was the only 90's sidekick that wasn't a "1b" that could get elite stats and dominate.. Since he had the lowest peak capability (transition/hustle player), he wasn't on the scouting report and made MJ defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load).

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