Curry stans on full meltdown because the PRF&Total stat shows it's a great season

[jongib369]

Oh the humanity??? It's literally adding the impact of some of the most important stats in the game

Even with other stats added, he's got a higher total than arguably Larry Birds best season, playing 4 minutes less per game. And is right there with Magics 87 season with the same minutes.

Buuuuuut meltdown. Saying it's worthless, I'm not admitting how great of a season it is..Yet it shows how great it is




PRF is one way of looking at his offensive impact, though it doesn't encompass everything...It's still a noteworthy stat. Is it because I'm not mentioning his true shooting percentage? Unless I'm mistaken his FG%, and made free throws is less than one of LeBrons best seasons, yet they want to say this is the GOAT peak overall or offensively?. (Not saying TS% is worthless. HUGE in crunch time)

Currys per36 PRF is now 20th on my list , Though it's a TIGHT race so I'm not taking him down. He's up there with the biggest names in the game. Until a little bit ago, it was sandwiched between magics two best seasons

28th on his current minutes.

Here is the Total stat

Any names with an * next to it is adjusted for assists that led to a 3 per game.

PRF= Points+points from assists.

None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%

For players with the *, after the : will be that PRF stat calculated like every player before 97

*Lebron 10 PRF-49.6 : 46.84 -- FG%.503 (20.1 FGA)
Blocks- 1
Steals-1.6
Rebounds-7.3
Fouled-10.2
Free Throws made-7.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=77.5 : 74.74
Total 2=67.3 : 64.54
Total 3=59.5 : 56.74


Bird 87 PRF-43.3 -- FG%.525 (20.2 FGA)
Blocks- 0.9
Steals-1.8
Rebounds-9.2
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-5.6

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=66.9
Total 2=60.8
Total 3=55.2


Magic 87 PRF- 48.3 -- FG%.525 (16.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-6.3
Fouled-7.9
Free Throws made-6.7

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=71.4
Total 2=63.5
Total 3=56.8


*SHAQ 00 PRF- 38.11 : 37.26 FG% .574 (21.1 FGA)
Blocks- 3
Steals-0.5
Rebounds- 13.6
Fouled-10.4
Free Throws made- 5.5

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 71.11 : 70:26
Total 2=60.71 : 59.86
Total 3=55.21 : 54.36

*Jordan 97 PRF-39.24 : 38.18-- FG%.486 (23.1 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-5.9
Fouled-7
Free Throws made-5.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=60.24 : 59.18
Total 2=53.24 : 52:18
Total 3=47.34 : 46.28

Jordan 89 PRF- 48.5-- FG% .538 (24.0 FGA)
Blocks- 0.8
Steals-2.9
Rebounds-8
Fouled-9.8
Free Throws made-8.3

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=78.3
Total 2=68.5
Total 3=60.2

Wilt 67 PRF- 41.5-- FG% .683 (14.2 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds-24.2
Fouled-10.8
Free Throws made-4.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=81.3
Total 2=70.5
Total 3=65.7

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7

Total 1=73.2/75.8
Total 2= 62.4/65
Total 3= 57.6/60.2


Isiah 85 PRF-49 -- FG%.458 (17.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.3
Steals-2.3
Rebounds-4.5
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-4.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=67.1
Total 2=61
Total 3=56.1


Wilt 62 PRF-55.2 FG% .506 (39.5 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds- 25.7
Free throws attempted-17.0
Free Throws made- 10.4


(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 108.3
Total 2=91.3
Total 3= 80.9

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7


Total 1= 98.7/101.3
Total 2= 81.7/84.3
Total 3= 71.3/73.9


*Curry 16 per 36 PRF- 47.03 : 45.2 FG% .506 (20.6 FGA)
Blocks- 0.2
Steals-2.3
Rebounds- 5.6
Free throws attempted-5.9
Free Throws made- 5.4


**Per 36**
(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data. None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%)
Total 1=66.43 :64.6
Total 2=60.53 : 58.7
Total 3= 55.13 : 53.3



These per 36 stats are even for magic who actually played that amount, and 4 minutes less than Bird. So even with per36 as great as it is, so far viewed this way this season isn't as good as 87 Magics. Though close, and incredible.

For the PRF stat Curry gets 6.39 points from Assists to 3s, 8.74 points on 2s

From 3's he assists, and 3's he MAKES it's a total of 21.69 PPG

[juju151111]

Why should i vare about this stat over efficiency and Rapm?

[jongib369]

Why should i vare about this stat over efficiency and Rapm?

It's like bragging about how good your d*ck is, yet not asking the girls you've been with it's overall impact. You can avoid it if you want to buuut

[3ball]

You can't even BEGIN to compare any player's PFR from this era to previous eras when you're including 3-pointers assisted on for this era, but not prior eras.

Guys like Curry, Lebron and Paul (from this era) assist on literally 2-3 three-pointers per game, which would give them a 2-3 point advantage over all players on your list prior to 1997, whose PFR's assume all assists were for 2-pointers.

You need to redo the data assuming all shots assisted on are 2-pointers - if you don't do this, your data is garbage and overstates today's players by 2-3 points.. It's a pretty significant bias.
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[jongib369]

You can't even BEGIN to compare any player's PFR from this era to previous eras when you're including 3-pointers assisted on for this era, but not prior eras.

Guys like Curry, Lebron and Paul (from this era) assist on literally 2-3 three-pointers per game, which would give them a 2-3 point advantage over all players on your list prior to 1997, whose PFR's assume all assists were for 2-pointers.

You need to redo the data assuming all shots assisted on are 2-pointers - if you don't do this, your data is garbage and overstates today's players by 2-3 points.. It's a pretty significant bias.
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Posting here as well so readers know adjustments to these stats are coming

Definitely not tonight, but possibly tmw. If you happen to have the time tonight, maybe you can do a run over of the players 97 and above, and post the adjusted stats here or in a PM? I'd update the OP tmw similar to how I showed Wilts stats with Rodmans rebounding numbers **/**

As I said a couple posts above

"For the PRF stat Curry gets 6.39 points from Assists to 3s, 8.74 points on 2s

So adjusted that's 15.39 points, versus 13 like everyone before 1997."

Point is definitely valid in it's unfairness, but I wont go as far as to not show it's current impact too

There's no bias on my part, just a failure to highlight that fact.

[warriorfan]

op is like CavsFTW on meth

[jongib369]

op is like CavsFTW on meth

I'm a hybrid of Cavs/Laz/3ball



(Someones going to make an edited version of that with ILT written on it, with our avatars as their heads.... I sense it )

[Marchesk]

I'm a hybrid of Cavs/Laz/3ball

What, no Euroleague in that mix?

[Mike smith]

Oh the humanity??? It's literally adding the impact of some of the most important stats in the game

Even with other stats added, he's got a higher total than arguably Larry Birds best season, playing 4 minutes less per game. And is right there with Magics 87 season with the same minutes.

Buuuuuut meltdown. Saying it's worthless, I'm not admitting how great of a season it is..Yet it shows how great it is




PRF is one way of looking at his offensive impact, though it doesn't encompass everything...It's still a noteworthy stat. Is it because I'm not mentioning his true shooting percentage? Unless I'm mistaken his FG%, and made free throws is less than one of LeBrons best seasons, yet they want to say this is the GOAT peak overall or offensively?. (Not saying TS% is worthless. HUGE in crunch time)

Currys per36 PRF is now 20th on my list , Though it's a TIGHT race so I'm not taking him down. He's up there with the biggest names in the game. Until a little bit ago, it was sandwiched between magics two best seasons

28th on his current minutes.

Here is the Total stat

Bro don't you have something better to do then go research all these stats and post them in a message board on the Internet cuz nobody cares

[jongib369]

What, no Euroleague in that mix?

I'd never put any of those guys in that category

He was more like Gillberg. Funny to watch, but...

[3ball]

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Points Responsible For - CAREER PLAYOFFS (per game)

[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN[/COLOR]: 44.8
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON[/COLOR]: 41.6
[COLOR="Navy"]BRYANT[/COLOR]: 34.5
[COLOR="Navy"]DWADE[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/COLOR]: 33.1


Points Responsible For - CAREER PLAYOFFS (per 100 possessions)

[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN[/COLOR]: 58.1
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON[/COLOR]: 53.7
[COLOR="Navy"]BRYANT[/COLOR]: 49.4
[COLOR="Navy"]DWADE[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/COLOR]: 46.4


The above data assumes all assists were for 2-pointers, since including 3-pointers would unfairly prop up players whose teammates were better 3-point shooters, teams that ran offenses designed to get more 3-point shots, or eras that simply took a ton of 3-pointers (i.e. teams averaged 2 three-pointers per game in 1985, compared to 24 per game today.

[Lebron23]

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Points Responsible For - CAREER PLAYOFFS (per game)

[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN[/COLOR]: 44.8
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON[/COLOR]: 41.6
[COLOR="Navy"]BRYANT[/COLOR]: 34.5
[COLOR="Navy"]DWADE[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/COLOR]: 33.1


Points Responsible For - CAREER PLAYOFFS (per 100 possessions)

[COLOR="Navy"]JORDAN[/COLOR]: 58.1
[COLOR="Navy"]LEBRON[/COLOR]: 53.7
[COLOR="Navy"]BRYANT[/COLOR]: 49.4
[COLOR="Navy"]DWADE[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR][/COLOR]: 46.4


The above data assumes all assists were for 2-pointers, since including 3-pointers would unfairly prop up players whose teammates were better 3-point shooters, teams that ran offenses designed to get more 3-point shots, or eras that simply took a ton of 3-pointers (i.e. teams averaged 2 three-pointers per game in 1985, compared to 24 per game today.

First time I saw 3ball acknowledging LeBron.

[jongib369]

Updated OP

[jongib369]

First time I saw 3ball acknowledging LeBron.