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Old 10-20-2019, 08:22 PM   #1
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Default The list of "scared" topics for MJ fans is comical at this point

LeBron faced 2011 and isn't afraid to talk about it.

Meanwhile...Jordan fans are embarassed to discuss a LIST of topics:

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0-6 vs Larry Bird
6 weak rings
Scottie Pippen
Building prisons
Losing record to Hakeem
Washington Wizards
Father's Day
Losing in the 1st round three times
Baseball

How can you be embarassed of your own rings? If MJ's rings are so pitifully weak and comical what else does he even have?
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:51 PM   #3
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It's actually funny how a simple question leaves people shaken up. No traps being set at all... Just wanting to know who they thought was MJ's greatest opponent in the finals.

It was like a 35+ page topic and we barely got any answers.
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:53 PM   #4
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It's actually funny how a simple question leaves people shaken up. No traps being set at all... Just wanting to know who they thought was MJ's greatest opponent in the finals.

It was like a 35+ page topic and we barely got any answers.
Can we bump that thread?
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:01 PM   #5
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Kobe fans really don't want to talk about

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Old 10-20-2019, 09:01 PM   #6
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Bill Russell GOAT

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get it thru your heads, kidz
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:04 PM   #7
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Default Re: The list of "scared" topics for MJ fans is comical at this point

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LeBron faced 2011 and isn't afraid to talk about it.

Meanwhile...Jordan fans are embarassed to discuss a LIST of topics:

1-9 - Lebron missed the Playoffs his first 2 seasons with an all-star big man
0-6 vs Larry Bird - Lebron has a losing record against Durant (1-2), Duncan (1-2), Curry (1-3) in the Finals
6 weak rings - beat better players Lebron ever faced
Scottie Pippen - Kyrie Irving, Dwyane Wade, Kevin Love, Chris bosh
Building prisons - not standing up for millions of innocents in Hong Kong due to personal financial interests and asking for a GM to be fired for standing up for millions of innocents
Losing record to Hakeem - never met him in the Playoffs
Washington Wizards - retirement tour in his 40s
Father's Day - won title in honour of his dead father on father's day, Lebron never met his father because his father is embarrassed of his beta son and the crackwhore he impregnated
Losing in the 1st round three times - missing the Playoffs three times



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Old 10-20-2019, 09:04 PM   #8
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Bill Russell GOAT

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Old 10-20-2019, 09:16 PM   #9
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1-9
Losing in the 1st round three times

Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, Kyrie, and most lottery rookies in the history of the league MISS the playoffs in their first few seasons - therefore, Jordan's three 1st round losses represent an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while the others weren't..

Maybe if Durant, Lebron, and Kyrie could've made the playoffs in their first few seasons, the team would've been closer to winning organically like MJ did... Instead, they missed the playoffs, and eventually had to team-hop or acquire stars to win.

Btw, it's better to get beat in the 1st round with an 8 seed, then the 2nd round with a 1 seed (Lebron in 2010 - one of his many chokes and losses as the favorite).


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0-6 vs Larry Bird

^^^ that happened without any all-stars, while Bird had 4 HOF teammates... But when MJ got just 1 all-star, he killed Bird's multiple all-stars.

0-6 vs Bird with no all-stars > 2-4 vs Dirk with 2 all-stars... or 2-4 versus Dwight with 1 all-star

Infact, no one was more unbeatable with an all-star than MJ - he was 6 for 8 in seasons that he had an all-star, and that includes the baseball year in 95' and Pippen's migraine in 90'..

So MJ never lost with an all-star when he played a full season or his 2nd option didn't have a legendary choke.. Otoh, Lebron lost 3 times with two all-stars in 11', 14' and 17'... And he lost with 1 all-star in 2005 and 2009... Yikes.


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6 weak rings

MJ played in a 2-star vs 2-star format, so those teams can't be compared to the 3-star vs. 3 star format that Lebron played in.. But if we gave MJ and his opponents a 3rd star, they would blow today's big 3's away

Lebron's big 3's mean that he only faced actual talent deficits in 07', 15', 17' and 18' Finals (losing mostly via sweep or record amount each time, so the worst anyone could do)..

the only time he overcame an actual talent deficit was the 07' ECF, and MJ overcame bigger ones then that (see stats below)


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wins against better talent

2007 Cavs:. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed


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Scottie Pippen

We know Drexler was much better than Pippen because 92' Drexler was better than 07' and 11' Lebron:

Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc


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Scottie Pippen

No one paid attention to Pippen at 2nd option so he had a light load on both ends, yet Drexler still outplayed him while guarding MJ:

Drexler 1992 Finals... 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Pippen. 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc


And when old Drexler had the same easy load at 2nd option, his advantage was bigger:

Drexler 1995 Finals... 21.5.. 9.5.. 6.8.. 56.0 ts.. 1.5 tov.. 126 ortg.. 20.1 gmsc
Pippen. 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc


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Scottie Pippen

Ewing, DRob, Shaq, Hakeem, Drexler, Penny, Grant Hill, Duncan, Malone, Barkley, and many more were better in the 90's.


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Losing record to Hakeem

lots of guys have losing records to guys in the regular season, especially from the other conference where there's a small sample of games.

It means nothing


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Washington Wizards

MJ at 40 = higher PER than rookie Lebron

Also:

Wizards improved 18 games under MJ in 2002

>

Heat improved 11 games with Lebron/Bosh in 2011



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How can you be embarassed of your own rings?

Everyone praises 6/6 as goat - no one is embarassed - you're literally making things up because you can't handle the goatness of 2 three-peats... You can't understand how Lebron failed to 3-peat with 3 HOF teammates in 2014, and Curry did the same in 2019, yet MJ got 2 three-peats with just 1 all-star.. ..... this makes you

Ultimately, MJ won 6 rings in the 2-star vs 2-star format we see now - so it's the same thing as Kawhi winning 6 rings with Paul George (while having the highest PPG and efficiency rating of all-time).

And compare the Big 2's that MJ faced to what Lebron will face this year - Kawhi/PG are the best Big 2 that Lebron will face, but they're less than Shaq/Penny and Magic/Worthy... And MJ faced a ton of great Big 2's like Stockton/Malone, Kemp/Payton, Barkley/KJ and many more.


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what else does he even have?

Highest PPG and efficiency rating of all time... What does Lebron have that's better than that?

- 6 FMVP
- 10 scoring titles and a DPOY...
- 9 seasons with BOTH all-nba and all-defense (goat 2-way accolades)
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and ring in the same year (goat carry-job)
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:22 PM   #10
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Durant, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, Kyrie, and most lottery rookies in the history of the league MISS the playoffs in their first few seasons - therefore, Jordan's three 1st round losses represent an accelerated learning curve that he was good enough to be on, while the others weren't..

Maybe if Durant, Lebron, and Kyrie could've made the playoffs in their first few seasons, the team would've been closer to winning organically like MJ did... Instead, they missed the playoffs, and eventually had to team-hop or acquire stars to win.

Btw, it's better to get beat in the 1st round with an 8 seed, then the 2nd round with a 1 seed (Lebron in 2010 - one of his many chokes and losses as the favorite).



^^^ that happened without any all-stars, while Bird had 4 HOF teammates... But when MJ got just 1 all-star, he killed Bird's multiple all-stars.

0-6 vs Bird with no all-stars > 2-4 vs Dirk with 2 all-stars... or 2-4 versus Dwight with 1 all-star

Infact, no one was more unbeatable with an all-star than MJ - he was 6 for 8 in seasons that he had an all-star, and that includes the baseball year in 95' and Pippen's migraine in 90'..

So MJ never lost with an all-star when he played a full season or his 2nd option didn't have a legendary choke.. Otoh, Lebron lost 3 times with two all-stars in 11', 14' and 17'... And he lost with 1 all-star in 2005 and 2009... Yikes.



MJ played in a 2-star vs 2-star format, so those teams can't be compared to the 3-star vs. 3 star format that Lebron played in.. But if we gave MJ and his opponents a 3rd star, they would blow today's big 3's away

Lebron's big 3's mean that he only faced actual talent deficits in 07', 15', 17' and 18' Finals (losing mostly via sweep or record amount each time, so the worst anyone could do)..

the only time he overcame an actual talent deficit was the 07' ECF, and MJ overcame bigger ones then that (see stats below)


2007 Cavs:. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed



We know Drexler was much better than Pippen because 92' Drexler was better than 07' and 11' Lebron:

Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc



No one paid attention to Pippen at 2nd option so he had a light load on both ends, yet Drexler still outplayed him while guarding MJ:

Drexler 1992 Finals... 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Pippen. 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc


And when old Drexler had the same easy load at 2nd option, his advantage was bigger:

Drexler 1995 Finals... 21.5.. 9.5.. 6.8.. 56.0 ts.. 1.5 tov.. 126 ortg.. 20.1 gmsc
Pippen. 1992 Finals... 20.8.. 8.3.. 7.7.. 56.1 ts.. 3.7 tov.. 111 ortg.. 18.1 gmsc



Ewing, DRob, Shaq, Hakeem, Drexler, Penny, Grant Hill, Duncan, Malone, Barkley, and many more were better in the 90's.



lots of guys have losing records to guys in the regular season, especially from the other conference where there's a small sample of games.

It means nothing



MJ at 40 = higher PER than rookie Lebron

Also:

Wizards improved 18 games under MJ in 2002

>

Heat improved 11 games with Lebron/Bosh in 2011




Everyone praises 6/6 as goat - no one is embarassed - you're literally making things up because you can't handle the goatness of 2 three-peats... You can't understand how Lebron failed to 3-peat with 3 HOF teammates in 2014, and Curry did the same in 2019, yet MJ got 2 three-peats with just 1 all-star.. ..... this makes you

Ultimately, MJ won 6 rings in the 2-star vs 2-star format we see now - so it's the same thing as Kawhi winning 6 rings with Paul George (while having the highest PPG and efficiency rating of all-time).

And compare the Big 2's that MJ faced to what Lebron will face this year - Kawhi/PG are the best Big 2 that Lebron will face, but they're less than Shaq/Penny and Magic/Worthy... And MJ faced a ton of great Big 2's like Stockton/Malone, Kemp/Payton, Barkley/KJ and many more.



Highest PPG and efficiency rating of all time... What does Lebron have that's better than that?

- 6 FMVP
- 10 scoring titles and a DPOY...
- 9 seasons with BOTH all-nba and all-defense (goat 2-way accolades)
- only perimeter player to win scoring title and ring in the same year (goat carry-job)
.
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how did Portland have a higher-rated defense than the Bulls during the first 3-peat if Drexler wasn't holding his own as a perimeter defender vs. Pippen and Jordan?.. Neither team had a shot-blocking center and both had good defenders at the 4.

Pippen is simply an overrated team and individual defender, while Drexler was underrated and would've equaled Pippen defensively if he played alongside MJ and the Bulls' system... He already matched Pippen in steals and blocks but simply didn't have the right environment to get the credit like Pippen did

Get a good look at Drexler's physique here in the Jordan vs. Drexler FT dunk comparison... He was a goat athlete - no elite SG's in today's game are anywhere near this athleticism - it was NOT easy to score on him

Previous eras had MJ/Drexler at SG... Today's game counters with Harden... lol.. the evolution of athletes doh
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It's actually funny how a simple question leaves people shaken up. No traps being set at all... Just wanting to know who they thought was MJ's greatest opponent in the finals.

It was like a 35+ page topic and we barely got any answers.


Could be the greatest scandal in NBA history.

Jordan has 6 rings and no one wants to talk about ANY of them. What a scandal. Terrible terrible to trick the NBA world like this.
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Could be the greatest scandal in NBA history.

Jordan has 6 rings and no one wants to talk about ANY of them. What a scandal. Terrible terrible to trick the NBA world like this.
Except everyone praises 6/6 as goat - no one is embarassed - you're making things up because you can't handle the goatness of 2 three-peats...

You can't understand how Lebron failed to 3-peat with 3 HOF teammates in 2014, and Curry did the same in 2019, yet MJ got 2 three-peats with just 1 all-star..

Ultimately, MJ won 6 rings in the 2-star vs 2-star format we see now - so it's the same thing as Kawhi winning 6 rings with Paul George (while having the highest PPG and efficiency rating of all-time).

And compare the Big 2's that MJ faced to what Lebron will face this year - Kawhi/PG are the best Big 2 that Lebron will face, but they're less than Shaq/Penny and Magic/Worthy... And MJ faced a ton of great Big 2's like Stockton/Malone, Kemp/Payton, Barkley/KJ and many more.

So there you go - I just bragged about all his rings like everyone does all the time... Ur just batshit crazy by pretending otherwise
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