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Old 10-21-2019, 05:56 PM   #31
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Zion isnít better than Blake today. But you couldnít trade Blake for him.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:56 PM   #32
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Tier 1
Jokic
Curry
Harden
Kawhi
LeBron
Giannis
Embiid

Tier 2
Durant (Can't put him tier 1 until we see him post injury)
Luka
Oladipo
Butler
KAT
Zion
Lillard
Gobert
Wall (If healthy)

Tier 3
Trae
Kemba
Blake
Morant
Barrett
Booker
Fox
Aldridge
Siakam

Tier 4
Love
CP3
Vucevic

Tier 5
Rozier
Lavine
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:11 PM   #33
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Zion isnít better than Blake today. But you couldnít trade Blake for him.


Zion had the best freshman season i can remember, was the consensus number 1 pick and Blake is 30. Are you really trying to draw a parallel to Trae/Siakam?
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:31 PM   #34
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Are you really trying to pretend you only know the difference between best player and more valuable franchise piece when itís convenient to acknowledge?
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:45 PM   #35
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No I am well aware these are the best players on the team, ranked in tiers. I don't see how Trae is better than any of the guys a tier below him.

Sure he could improve but it looks like your ranking is based on a large dose of hopium.

But that isn't what the list is...

It is about which franchise players essentially hold the most trade value...and while a guy like Siakam is currently better than Trae imo, he doesn't have more trade value.
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But that isn't what the list is...

It is about which franchise players essentially hold the most trade value...and while a guy like Siakam is currently better than Trae imo, he doesn't have more trade value.


Depends on whether a team is trying to sell tickets or win games. I have seen flashy offense no defense players before. They dont help winning that much.

I would argue that Trae doesnt even belong on this list in the first place. Collins was easily better on both ends and is only 22. What makes Trae the franchise player? Style points?
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:20 PM   #37
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Depends on whether a team is trying to sell tickets or win games. I have seen flashy offense no defense players before. They dont help winning that much.

I would argue that Trae doesnt even belong on this list in the first place. Collins was easily better on both ends and is only 22. What makes Trae the franchise player? Style points?

I think a franchise is trying to do both and it isn't one or the other.

I'm actually not super high on Trae, but I probably think he was better than you do last year. However, it is about expected value and potential of these players...

And not listing Trae Young on this list seems silly considering where the league is and where it is clearly headed, but that is just my opinion.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:28 PM   #38
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This was harder than I expected. Some of them are in a certain tier due to age and not current talent. Just...arent guys to build around anymore. Some of them I feel like I need an extra tier for.....like Lillard...who may not be sitting fat down south....but is all hes ever gonna be so its not like hes up and coming. And KAT im not sure is ever gonna be a tier 1....hes got the talent...but im not sure hes gonna get there. I dont know. Star player...but a 40 degree day as a franchise guy probably. Did my best....



Sitting fat down south:

Anthony Davis
James Harden
Giannis
Leonard
Durant(assuming hes still Durant.If not he's a 40 degree day as is Kyrie).
Curry





Yellow Brick Road -


Trae Young
Luka
Jokic
Morant
Zion
Embiid
Lillard




40 degree day



Kemba Walker
Lauri
Blake
Oladipo
Jimmy Butler
KAT
Barrett
Booker
De'Aaron Fox
Mitchell
Beal


This is fine


Vucevic
Derozan
Siakam



Blow it up


Rozier
Kevin Love
Chris Paul

This list looks pretty legit but to be real...the 40 degrees is nothin to write home about, these days are death in the current nba. For realistic purposes you are in a no better situation chilling at 40 degrees than you are blowing it up. That being said I would merge the two bottom lists and maybe group embiid into it. Tbh I donít want to bet on if he can be healthy or not, that tells me I shouldnít count on it, heís out until proven otherwise. Fox is the only guy I can see possibly jumping up the next level. Itís not for sure but it can happen.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:28 PM   #39
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This was harder than I expected. Some of them are in a certain tier due to age and not current talent. Just...arent guys to build around anymore. Some of them I feel like I need an extra tier for.....like Lillard...who may not be sitting fat down south....but is all hes ever gonna be so its not like hes up and coming. And KAT im not sure is ever gonna be a tier 1....hes got the talent...but im not sure hes gonna get there. I dont know. Star player...but a 40 degree day as a franchise guy probably. Did my best....



Sitting fat down south:

Anthony Davis
James Harden
Giannis
Leonard
Durant(assuming hes still Durant.If not he's a 40 degree day as is Kyrie).
Curry





Yellow Brick Road -


Trae Young
Luka
Jokic
Morant
Zion
Embiid
Lillard




40 degree day



Kemba Walker
Lauri
Blake
Oladipo
Jimmy Butler
KAT
Barrett
Booker
De'Aaron Fox
Mitchell
Beal


This is fine


Vucevic
Derozan
Siakam



Blow it up


Rozier
Kevin Love
Chris Paul

This list looks pretty legit but to be real...the 40 degrees is nothin to write home about, these days are death in the current nba. For realistic purposes you are in a no better situation chilling at 40 degrees than you are blowing it up. That being said I would merge the two bottom lists and maybe group embiid into it. Tbh I donít want to bet on if he can be healthy or not, that tells me I shouldnít count on it, heís out until proven otherwise. Fox is the only guy I can see possibly jumping up the next level. Itís not for sure but it can happen.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:39 PM   #40
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Will also add Siakam to the yellow brick road. Hes not a number one but heís a for sure max worthy and one lil troy away from it all type a guy.
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Old 10-22-2019, 07:17 AM   #41
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I dont know...

I like him. I like defense....post moves....that is well known. Hes a good all around player. But this isnt the old days where people gradually arrive.

How many hall of famers in this era didnt already look like it at 25?

Steph Curry is about the latest blooming true superstar in the NBA.

He can make it....especially production wise if a team wants to play through him. But its easy to be the productive guy people mock when you dont win.

People decided KAT is empty stats a long time ago and hes been doing HOF numbers for 3 years.
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:10 PM   #42
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Doncic is rated ridiculously high by some of you.

Dude's ceiling isn't that high.
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