GOAT stretch in Playoff basketball?

[Mr Feeny]

Or, you know....the Lakers had players up front that could match up with Dwight while Cleveland didn't....

But that might make a little too much sense for you. So yea, we can go with your thing and be done here.

Don't talk sense to a 17 year old Kobe stan

[ImKobe]

Or, you know....the Lakers had players up front that could match up with Dwight while Cleveland didn't....

But that might make a little too much sense for you. So yea, we can go with your thing and be done here.

He did choke. He went to the line to shoot two free throws that would have put the game out of reach on his home floor (Lakers down 3), only to miss both and lose in OT.


It was a closer series than you think. Orlando dropped two OT games.

Dwight averaged 15.4/15.2 with 1.6 spg and 4 bpg, he sonned Bynum pretty badly in that series and severly limited his minutes due to foul trouble (21 fouls in 5 games) and Turkoglu went off on us

[Mr Feeny]

He did choke. He missed two free throws that would have put the game out of reach on his home floor (Lakers down 3), only to miss both and lose in OT.

6/24 in game 7's

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It was impressive, but nowhere near GOAT level. Especially when we consider the injuries to the Spurs' backcourt. Did Derek Anderson even play in that series? I know he mised a few games, but that's just from the top.

Jordan's series vs. Phoenix
Jordan's series vs Lakers
Jordan's series Portland
LeBron's series vs Orlando
Shaq's series vs Indiana
Shaq's series vs Philly

Most of these happened during the finals too.

[ImKobe]

It was impressive, but nowhere near GOAT level. Especially when we consider the injuries to the Spurs' backcourt. Did Derek Anderson even play in that series? I know he mised a few games, but that's just from the top.

Jordan's series vs. Phoenix
Jordan's series vs Lakers
Jordan's series Portland
LeBron's series vs Orlando
Shaq's series vs Indiana
Shaq's series vs Philly

Most of these happened during the finals too.

Lebron lost

this has more to do with going undefeated through 3 rounds against 50+ win teams in the West. Jordan played a depleted Lakers squad and struggled guarding Magic, Phoenix had no one to put on MJ and he scored effortlessly, Shaq had no one to match up with him and abused his competition

Kobe's run was far more impressive considering he went off on 4 straight road games and averaged 35 ppg in 5 road games and he wasn't even in his prime at 22 years of age.

[ImKobe]

6/24 in game 7's

Still hoisted up the Finals MVP

[ShawkFactory]

He did choke. He went to the line to shoot two free throws that would have put the game out of reach on his home floor (Lakers down 3), only to miss both and lose in OT.


It was a closer series than you think. Orlando dropped two OT games.

Dwight averaged 15.4/15.2 with 1.6 spg and 4 bpg, he sonned Bynum pretty badly in that series and severly limited his minutes due to foul trouble (21 fouls in 5 games) and Turkoglu went off on us

But according to most Kobe stans Bynum wasn't even a factor in 2009 and should not be listen as a good teammate that Kobe won with. And they're actually right. Bynum's numbers in the finals were virtually no different than the rest of the playoffs. He wasn't really a factor.

And EVERY shooter when off on Cleveland. The team shot 41% from 3 on the series

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron lost

this has more to do with going undefeated through 3 rounds against 50+ win teams in the West. Jordan played a depleted Lakers squad and struggled guarding Magic, Phoenix had no one to put on MJ and he scored effortlessly, Shaq had no one to match up with him and abused his competition.

Jordan faced all of Phoenix's starters, including all-nba defensive teamers. Same with LeBron and Shaq, who faced better competition at their position. Kobe faced a depleted Spurs' backcourt who had to rely on Avery Johnson and scrubs from the bench. Another common theme with these players (Jordan/Bron/Shaq) is that they were clearly the best players on their team. LeBron/MJ in particular, didn't have the luxury of having another scoring threat - an elite scorer.

Kobe's run was far more impressive considering he went off on 4 straight road games and averaged 35 ppg in 5 road games and he wasn't even in his prime at 22 years of age.

Shaq had more impact in those playoffs as his Adjusted Plus Minus indicates. This is before the finals too. Like I said, Kobe's run was impressive, but nowhere NEAR GOAT-level.

[ImKobe]

Jordan faced all of Phoenix's starters, including all-nba defensive teamers. Same with LeBron and Shaq, who faced better competition at their position. One common theme with these players is that they were clearly the best players on their team. LeBron/MJ in pariticular, didn't have the luxury of having another scoring threat - an elite scorer.



Shaq had more impact in those playoffs as his Adjusted Plus Minus indicates. This is before the finals too. Like I said, Kobe's run was impressive, but nowhere NEAR GOAT-level.

Shaq had more impact? he went for 19 points on below 40% shooting and allowed Duncan to put up 40/15 on him and they still won

Shaq was the most turnover prone player on the Lakers despite not running the offense

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq had more impact? he went for 19 points on below 40% shooting and allowed Duncan to put up 40/15 on him and they still won

Shaq actually averaged 27ppg in that series, and had more impact because he was a better rebounder and defender. In fact, if you watch the series over again, you could see both David Robinson AND Duncan double-teaming Shaq, allowing Kobe to do his thing against the Spurs' depleted backcourt.

[ImKobe]

But according to most Kobe stans Bynum wasn't even a factor in 2009 and should not be listen as a good teammate that Kobe won with. And they're actually right. Bynum's numbers in the finals were virtually no different than the rest of the playoffs. He wasn't really a factor.

And EVERY shooter when off on Cleveland. The team shot 41% from 3 on the series

Dwight's rebounding INCREASED against the Lakers and he put up 4 blocks a game, his scoring decreased (drew less fouls), but Turk and Shard made up for it.

Like I said, Orlando lost TWO overtime games in that series, one being at their home, where Dwight missed two free throws to seal the game in the 4th

Game 5 was close as well (Bynum started out like 0 - 7) until Lakers broke free in the 3rd....

It was still a close series and Orlando wasn't that overmatched, just that Dwight choked a game away at the FT line

Shard and Turk both shot 40+% from 3 against us

[Prometheus]

'09 bran jame might be the best performance in a series loss ever (aside from the first ever Finals MVP). Anyone who actually watched that series knows that Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis were the main reasons Orlando won. Those f@ggots were just hitting three after three after three after three, hand in their face, down two points at the end of a game, whatever. Shit was bananas.

[ShawkFactory]

Dwight's rebounding INCREASED against the Lakers and he put up 4 blocks a game, his scoring decreased (drew less fouls), but Turk and Shard made up for it.

Like I said, Orlando lost TWO overtime games in that series, one being at their home, where Dwight missed two free throws to seal the game in the 4th

Game 5 was close as well (Bynum started out like 0 - 7) until Lakers broke free in the 3rd....

It was still a close series and Orlando wasn't that overmatched, just that Dwight choked a game away at the FT line

Shard and Turk both shot 40+% from 3 against us

The differences you listed with Dwight were defensive. Taken in context, the Lakers had a more significant usage in their front court offense. This explains the difference in Dwight's bulk numbers. Offensively, everything points to Dwight being far superior vs Cleveland.

He took exactly the same amount of free throws per game in the two series. He made a higher percentage in the finals however.

[FatComputerNerd]

Rondo had some pretty ridiculous playoff stretches in Boston.

I'd go so far as to say he is/was one of the greatest playoff performers of all time.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe stans are definitely the scariest bunch on ISH. OP is literally incapable of being objective about anything, and will post the most arbitrary figures to try to prop up Kobe and diminish LeBron/Shaq/anyone else. Kobe obviously had a great playoff run in '01, the GOAT performance though? **** outta here