Who will rank higher all time between Dwyane Wade and Lebron James

[kennethgriffin]

... if the Heat win a title this year with Wade as FMVP..... ( EDIT* AND wade somehow claims regular season MVP )


3.5 nba titles
2 fmvps
1 season mvp

losing 2 times in the nba finals


vs

1.5 nba titles
1.5 fmvps
4 mvps

losing 4 times in the nba finals

[ralph_i_el]

Kobe:
2.5 finals
.5 FMVP's

comes in after both of them

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe:
2.5 finals
.5 FMVP's

comes in after both of them

lol wtf.. when did kobe win in a lockout year?


if we're giving asterisks for help then wade/bran have 0 rings combined lmao


lets be realistic please

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Titles aren't everything otherwise John Havlicek would be a Top 10 player all time.

LeBron is already, arguably, a Top 10 player. Wade is somewhere in the 20-25 range (typically). Wade isn't jumping 15 something spots because of a title, in a series dude likely plays as a shell of his former self.

[G0ATbe]

Wade is higher currently, so that would further the gap.

[kennethgriffin]

Titles aren't everything otherwise John Havlicek would be a Top 10 player all time.

LeBron is already, arguably, a Top 10 player. Wade is somewhere in the 20-25 range (typically). Wade isn't jumping 15 something spots because of a title, in a series dude likely plays as a shell of his former self.

you act like wades career average isnt 24/5/6





how is a guy with a great average and 2 fmvps with 3.5 titles not right around where jerry west is at the very least


the logo is top 12-13




both guys have 0 regular season mvps

[ralph_i_el]

lol wtf.. when did kobe win in a lockout year?


if we're giving asterisks for help then wade/bran have 0 rings combined lmao


lets be realistic please

half a ring for his sidekick seasons, and half for the year the league fixed the Sacramento seasons.

Or should Kobe get full credit for averaging 15ppg in the finals ?

I'm not even giving asterisks for help.....I'm giving asterisks for BEING the help.

[kennethgriffin]

in the end i guess its about # of rings by mvps


wade never won mvp.. thats holding him back big time



new question: "if wade wins a fmvp and regular season mvp. then what?"




wade:

3.5 titles
2 fmvps
1 season mvp
only 2 finals losses


thats above lebron IMO

[kennethgriffin]

half a ring for his sidekick seasons, and half for the year the league fixed the Sacramento seasons.

Or should Kobe get full credit for averaging 15ppg in the finals ?

I'm not even giving asterisks for help.....I'm giving asterisks for BEING the help.

na.. kobe was co-lead with shaq

at best you can give kobe 0.8 for his 1st title.

would be 0.5 but there is no nba finals without kobes game 7 wcf saving shaqs legacy with 24/11/7/4 ( leading the lakers in points, rebounds, assists and blocks )


then saving the finals game 4 in OT. plus having a huge clincher and lockout up reggie miller with 1 for 16 in game 1



kobe goes from 0.5 to 0.8 for that title


full credit for 2001 and 2002 due to averaging the highest playoff and finals PPG of all time for a 2nd leading scorer


Playoffs:

2001 Kobe Bryant 29.4
2002 Kobe Bryant 26.6
1986 Kevin Mchale 24.9
1958 Bob Pettit 24.2
1963 Sam Jones 23.8
1966 John Havlicek 23.6
1972 Jerry West 22.9
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.8
1987 Magic Johnson 21.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 21.7
1991 Scottie Pippen 21.6
1985 James Worthy 21.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 21.2
2000 Kobe Bryant 21.1
1957 Bill Sharman 21.1
1976 Dave Cowens 21.0
1979 Dennis Johnson 20.9
2005 Manu Ginobili 20.8
2007 Tony Parker 20.8
1962 Tom Heinsohn 20.7
1968 Sam Jones 20.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 20.5
1974 Dave Cowens 20.5
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 20.4
1980 Jamaal Wilkes 20.3
1956 Neil Johnston 20.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 20.1
1959 Bill Sharman 20.1
2006 Shaquille O'neal 20.0
1988 Magic Johnson 19.9
2010 Pau Gasol 19.6
1992 Scottie Pippen 19.5
1997 Scottie Pippen 19.2
1971 Bob Dandridge 19.2
1961 Bill Russell 19.1
2008 Kevin Garnett 18.8
1983 Andrew Tony 18.8
2015 Klay Thompson 18.6
1965 John Havlicek 18.5
1960 Bill Russell 18.5
2009 Pau Gasol 18.3
1977 Bill Walton 18.2
1990 Joe Dumars 18.2
1989 Joe Dumars 17.6
2011 Jason Terry 17.5
1964 Tom Heinsohn 17.4
1970 Dick Barnett 16.9
1996 Scottie Pippen 16.9
1998 Scottie Pippen 16.8
1969 Sam Jones 16.8
1984 Dennis Johnson 16.6
2004 Chauncey Billups 16.4
2014 Tim Duncan 16.3
1981 Cedric Maxwell 16.1
1973 Earl Monroe 16.1
1952 Jim Pollard 16.1
2013 Dwyane Wade 15.9
1951 Bob Davies 15.9
1999 David Robinson 15.6
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 15.0
2003 Tony Parker 14.7
1953 Jim Pollard 14.3
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.8
1955 Red Kerr 13.8
1950 Vern Mikkelsen 13.0
1954 Jim Pollard 12.3




Finals:

2002 Kobe Bryant 26.8
2001 Kobe bryant 24.6
1958 Bob Pettit 24.0 ( Cliff Hagan 25.3, playoffs and finals leader )
1986 Larry Bird 24.0 ( Mchale 25.8ppg )
1985 James Worthy 23.7
1971 Oscar Robertson 23.5
1963 Tom Heinsohn 23.3 ( Jones 24.6 )
1966 Sam Jones 22.9
1974 Dave Cowens 22.7
1979 Dennis Johnson 22.6 ( Gus Williams 29.0ppg finals, playoffs leader too..wtf? )
2012 Dwyane Wade 22.6
1959 Tie* Sharman/Ramsay 22.5 ( heinsohn 24.2 )
1962 Sam Jones 22.1 ( russell 22.8 )
1983 Andrew Tony 22.0 ( Julius Erving 3rd option in playoffs and finals )
1957 Bill Sharman 21.8 ( Heinsohn 24.0 )
1987 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 21.7
1980 Magic Johnson 21.5
1995 Clyde Drexler 21.5
1989 Isiah Thomas 21.3
1993 Scottie Pippen 21.2
1988 Magic Johnson 21.1
1968 Bailey Howell 21.0
2004 Chauncey Billups 21.0 (Rip playoff and finals leader. robbed )
1992 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1991 Scottie Pippen 20.8
1990 Joe Dumars 20.6
1976 Dave Cowens 20.5
1978 Bob Dandridge 20.4
2008 Ray Allen 20.3
1997 Scottie Pippen 20.0
1972 Jerry West 19.8
2013 Dwyane Wade 19.6
2005 Manu Ginobili 18.7
1969 Sam Jones 18.7
1970 Dick Barnett 18.6
2010 Pau Gasol 18.6
2009 Pau Gasol 18.6
1977 Bill Walton 18.5
1960 Frank Ramsay 18.4 ( Heinsohn 22.4 )
1964 John Havlicek 18.4
2007 Tim Duncan 18.3
1965 John Havlicek 18.2
2011 Jason Terry 18.0
1982 Kareem Abdul Jabbar 18.0
2014 Kawhi Leonard 17.8
1967 Wilt Chamberlain 17.7 ( Hal Greer 26.0ppg. would have been mvp )
1961 Bill Russell 17.6 ( heinsohn 22.0 )
1984 Dennis Johnson 17.6
1951 Bob Davies 17.0
1999 David Robinson 16.6
1973 Willis Reed 16.4
1952 Jim Pollard 16.4
2015 Andre Iguodala 16.3
1998 Scottie Pippen 15.7
1996 Scottie Pippen 15.7
2000 Kobe Bryant 15.6 ( *19.0 minus the 2 point injury game )
1981 Larry Bird 15.3
1953 Jim Pollard 14.4
2003 Tony Parker 14.0
2006 Antoine Walker 13.8 ( Shaq only averaged 13.7 )
1956 Neil Johnston 13.6 ( Arizin 27.6 )
1950 Jim Pollard 13.6 ( mikan 32.1 )
1994 Vernon Maxwell 13.4
1955 Kerr 12.2 ( schayes 19.0 )
1975 Jamaal Wilkes 11.5
1954 Pollard 10.8 ( Mikan 18.1 )

[longhornfan1234]

One player is a top 10 player and other is top 25 player. Take your guess.

[kennethgriffin]

One player is a top 11* player and other is top 20-23* player. Take your guess.

thats with the current resumes



but with a regular season mvp
and with another championship
and another finals mvp

2.5 rings, 1 fmvp, 0 smvps

to

3.5 rings, 2 fmvps, 1 smvp




thats a huge upgrade...


only fractions separate guys who are top 20 to guys who are top 11-12


its not much.. the difference can sometimes be just a few trophies



when you think about it... karl malone would be a top 12-13 player all time with 1 title and 1 fmvp


but hes top 20 or so without them

[Hey Yo]

lol wtf.. when did kobe win in a lockout year?


if we're giving asterisks for help then wade/bran have 0 rings combined lmao


lets be realistic please

"if the Heat win a title this year with Wade as FMVP..... ( EDIT* AND wade somehow claims regular season MVP )"

you're telling someone else to be realistic????

[FPJ]

I'm one of the biggest Wade fans. His prime was incredible, there are few players in history who could do the things he did. The way he took over games at 6'4 was incredible.

With all these being said, i'd be shocked if Lebron isn't a consensus TOP 3 at the end of his career. I personally have him 2'nd behind Jordan. He's one of a kind, he does it all.

[kennethgriffin]

"if the Heat win a title this year with Wade as FMVP..... ( EDIT* AND wade somehow claims regular season MVP )"

you're telling someone else to be realistic????

you act like the heat arent the 2nd best overall team in the east right now


in a sh*t conference with everyone healthy and clicking... the heat can run off 60 wins

wade with anything over 25ppg will get strong consideration for mvp. especially with the fact that he never got the award before. if his competition is lebron, durant, curry. the media might give him it


never know.. the heat are stacked bro. where have you been?

[kennethgriffin]

I'm one of the biggest Wade fans. His prime was incredible, there are few players in history who could do the things he did. The way he took over games at 6'4 was incredible.

With all these being said, i'd be shocked if Lebron isn't a consensus TOP 3 at the end of his career. I personally have him 2'nd behind Jordan. He's one of a kind, he does it all.

i hope you're wearing a diaper when that day comes




my prediction for lebrons ending resume =

1.5 rings ( all with just miami - the team he colluded with )

16 seasons with cleveland ( all disappointments )

6 finals losses ( 2 in miami, 4 in cleveland )



he'l forever be 11-12th all time


sorry


and the worst part is.. he'l end up tieing michael jordans 5 season mvps.. which will bring on the most hate youl ever see for a player