Amare > or = Dirk

[Darkbright2]

I dont hate Dirk..I just dont see why people rate him so high....F.Y.I.

Amare's midrange jumper is just as deadly now

Maybe when he's wide open.. You can't tell me that a contested Amare jumper will go in the same amount of times Dirk's do when he's totally smothered by a defender.

[moaz]

Dirk has longer hair.

[Mr Know It All]

I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument


Go ahead

1 Time MVP
1 Time NBA Finalist
10 Time All Star
4 Time All NBA First Team
4 Time All NBA Second Team
2 Time All NBA Third Team
Lead his team to 10 consecutive 50 win seasons (and counting).
#23 on the NBA's all time scoring list and still climbing. Will probably end up in the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done.

Bye.

[MELOgamaniac]

You're an idiot and a troll. Let's go this way, prove me Amar'e is better than Dirk. Dirk has enough accomplishments to talk about his greatness, what about Amar'e?

Accomplishments and Accolades for the most part are subjective, and largely based on popularity and overall who's in the most favor..unless based on stats alone for ex. Scoring CHAMP

but allstar game nominations
Defensive Team selections
All NBA teams
MVP's
Rookie of the Year

These things do display a persons value but ..they ahve to be taken in context...at the time

Most accolades are tainted and not awarded to the people that deserve them
examples.

ex...Did somebody get a allstar selection or ALL NBA team selection because a more talented player was injured

Vince carter all star selections just because fans want to see him dunk (not cause of his level of play)

etc....

I can go on ...

[HEAT111]

They both suck but Amare is better at both then Dirk

YOU.FAIL.

Dirk = 1 MVP

Amar'e = 0 MVP

Look at that, you even forgot to put the apostrophe.

[Teanett]

dirk won all his accolades and award with amare in the same conference playing the same position.

bye

[Clutch]

Wait a second.

If you are talking about current condition (who is better at the moment) I would pick Amare over Dirk.

If you are talking who had more successful career than the answer is obvious-Dirk.

[MELOgamaniac]

Maybe when he's wide open.. You can't tell me that a contested Amare jumper will go in the same amount of times Dirk's do when he's totally smothered by a defender.

dirk does hit more difficult shots that are contested...I cannot argue that..but not sure if that makes him better

[MELOgamaniac]

YOU.FAIL.

Dirk = 1 MVP

Amar'e = 0 MVP

Look at that, you even forgot to put the apostrophe.

I said Amare is a better defender and rebounder than dirk..what does MVP have to do with it ....I need you to actually read

[HEAT111]

50.0%
42.0%
44.0%
26.1%
85.7%
85.0%
FG %3FG%FT %
DAL NYK
Total Rebounds 54 34
Offensive Rebounds 10 5
Turnovers 15 8
Fast Break Pts: 15 19
Biggest Lead: 24 8
Points in the Paint: 38 44
DAL NYK
p Nowitzki 29 Gallinari 27
rb 2 players 11 Fields 9
a Kidd 10 Felton 9
s 3 players 1 Douglas 3
b 4 players 1 Stoudemire 3
02/02 - DAL113 @ NYK9703/10 - NYK @ DAL adidas Dallas Mavericks Dirk Nowitzki Swingman Road Jersey
adidas New York Knicks Amar'e Stoudemire Swingman Road Jersey

Dallas Mavericks (33-15)
field goalsrebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
B. Cardinal F 10:13 1-1 1-1 0-0 -3 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 3
D. Nowitzki F 32:49 10-16 2-4 7-7 +27 1 10 11 3 2 0 1 1 1 29
T. Chandler C 28:37 6-9 0-0 3-4 +16 3 8 11 0 3 0 1 1 0 15
J. Kidd G 31:47 2-10 2-7 0-0 +16 1 5 6 10 1 1 1 0 1 6
D. Stevenson G 30:56 5-9 3-6 0-0 +9 2 3 5 1 1 0 1 0 0 13
S. Marion 23:03 1-8 0-0 3-4 -9 1 9 10 2 3 0 4 0 2 5
J. Terry 30:26 6-12 0-3 0-1 +7 1 3 4 2 2 1 2 0 0 12
B. Haywood 15:52 2-4 0-0 0-0 +3 0 2 2 0 4 0 0 1 1 4
J. Barea 30:10 7-12 3-4 5-5 +21 1 2 3 3 0 1 3 0 1 22
I. Mahinmi 03:31 1-1 0-0 0-0 -3 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 2
D. Jones 02:36 1-2 0-0 0-0 -4 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2
P. Stojakovic 00:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 240 42-84 11-25 18-21 10 44 54 24 18 3 15 4 6 113
50.0% 44.0% 85.7% team rebs: 6 total to: 16
New York Knicks (25-23)
field goalsrebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
D. Gallinari F 38:50 7-14 1-5 12-12 -12 0 6 6 2 1 2 3 1 1 27
A. Stoudemire C-F 36:09 10-20 0-0 1-2 -14 1 4 5 4 2 1 1 3 1 21
R. Turiaf C-F 08:58 0-1 0-0 0-0 -17 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
R. Felton G 35:46 4-14 1-4 2-2 -12 0 3 3 9 1 0 0 1 0 11
L. Fields G 31:18 2-11 0-4 0-0 -23 2 7 9 0 0 1 1 0 1 4
S. Williams 23:43 1-5 0-1 0-0 +4 0 7 7 1 6 1 1 1 0 2
T. Douglas 28:21 9-13 3-6 1-2 -2 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 22
T. Mozgov 15:34 2-4 0-0 0-0 -6 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 4
B. Walker 14:48 1-2 0-1 0-0 -6 1 1 2 0 2 2 0 0 0

[MELOgamaniac]

Wait a second.

If you are talking about current condition (who is better at the moment) I would pick Amare over Dirk.

If you are talking who had more successful career than the answer is obvious-Dirk.

I agree with everything you are saying..im just comparing player..current Amare is better than Dirk

Dirks career has been more successful so far is better than Amare's..thats largely due to being in the league longer to have more time to achieve things

[rodman91]

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dirk_No...s_Achievements


* Became the 3rd player in NBA history to lead the league in Win Shares for at least 3 consecutive seasons (2005-2007). The others are Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

* Became the 3rd player in NBA history (after Rick Barry and Larry Bird) to average 26-plus points while shooting 90% or better from the line (2005-06)

* Only 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average + 25ppg and + 10rpg in the NBA playoffs. The others are Elgin Baylor, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Petit and Shaquille O'Neal.

* Became the 5th player in NBA history to shoot better than 50% from the field (50.2), 40% from three-point range (41.6), and 90% from the line (90.4) (2006-07). The others are Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Steve Nash, and Jose Calderon. He and Bird are the only two of the six to average more than 20 points per game.

* Named MVP and was the leading scorer of the 2002 Basketball World Championships in Indianapolis, Indiana, winning the bronze medal with the Germann National Basketball Team
* Named MVP and was the leading scorer of the 2005 European Championship, winning the silver medal with the Germany National Basketball Team

i don't even need to mention about mvp..

Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amar'e.

Dirk's name belong to greatest power forwards of all time list.

[SinJackal]

I agree with everything you are saying..im just comparing player..current Amare is better than Dirk

Dirks career has been more successful so far is better than Amare's..thats largely due to being in the league longer to have more time to achieve things

Funny how you changed your mind now after getting smashed with Dirk facts.

Your original post:

I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument

Go ahead

Now you're conceding that Dirk is better since you know you had a fail argument.

As for that garbage about saying Dirk's career's only better because he's had longer to do it, no. Prime Dirk was better than prime Amar'e. More unstoppable scorer, better playoff performer, won much more consistently, was injured far less, and had better playoff success. Amar'e's career hasn't been much shorter than Dirk's. Dirk only had 4 more years, one of which was a half of a crap season as a rookie. So basically 3 more years. Amar'e can't accomplish what Dirk did over that span to close the gap unless he magically wins a title in the span. I doubt he gets any MVPs either now with Melo there.

It's safe to say Amar'e will never be considered better than Dirk on the all time list unless he wins a title (as a main guy, not as a roleplayer ala current Shaq if he gets another) and Dirk doesn't.

[MELOgamaniac]

Funny how you changed your mind now after getting smashed with Dirk facts.

Your original post:



Now you're conceding that Dirk is better since you know you had a fail argument.

As for that garbage about saying Dirk's career's only better because he's had longer to do it, no. Prime Dirk was better than prime Amar'e. More unstoppable scorer, better playoff performer, won much more consistently, was injured far less, and had better playoff success. Amar'e's career hasn't been much shorter than Dirk's. Dirk only had 4 more years, one of which was a half of a crap season as a rookie. So basically 3 more years. Amar'e can't accomplish what Dirk did over that span to close the gap unless he magically wins a title in the span. I doubt he gets any MVPs either now with Melo there.

It's safe to say Amar'e will never be considered better than Dirk on the all time list unless he wins a title (as a main guy, not as a roleplayer ala current Shaq if he gets another) and Dirk doesn't.

I have not changed my argument..unlike most people on this board i give credit where it is due..Dirk has ha da better career (team success)...Im talking about them as individual players

Now let me school you real quick

Dirk has played 11 seasons..excluding current and rookie
Amare has played 7 exluding current and rookie

thats 4 years...1 year amare only played 3 games..so we can call that 5 years...3 of those years amare played less than 59 games...so we can round that up to a 6 year advantage.....

6 years is a long time..if we go back 6 years ...ya man Dirk wasnt even an MVP lol

[thomaspynchon]

lol...its not like tim donahgy reffed a crucial game in the mavs heat series that cost 1 team a finals birth....hmmm

Mavs are 1-19 or 2-19 when danny crawford refs in playoffs. and he reffed 2 or 3 games in the Finals.

he did a hell of a job handing the spurs the series last postseason over the Mavs