MJ's reign as GOAT has officially withstood Lebron

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The 538 rankings of supporting casts isn't viable because it doesn't consider the biggest factor affecting a supporting cast's production: teamwork.. The list merely looks at statistical production and equates that with "talent", even though the biggest factor affecting supporting cast production is teamwork.

Since the 538 list doesn't consider the most important factor affecting supporting cast production (teamwork), it's a garbage list and you shouldn't pay attention to it....

However, despite it's fatal flaws, the list still shows that Jordan won with weaker supporting casts (91', 93') than Lebron ever won with (12', 13', 16').. Jordan's weaker supporting casts are why his first 3 rings required 30% more scoring and greater assists than Lebron's 3 rings.
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[Round Mound]

If you're going by PER, those were the only two years Pippen was ever in the top 10 in PER.

[B]Reason to why Pippen was very good without Jordan and no the opposite. Pippen

[Mr Feeny]

Let's assume - hypothetically - that Lebron somehow does the miraculous 2 years running and pulls of an even BIGGER upset than this year's (which was against the winningest team in nba history).

Doesnt that put him in the discussion?

At some point, we have to apply context. Not all titles are equal. If Lebron wins the 2017 title playing the same all-timr-great play he did this year, he'd be more than in the discussion in my opinion.

He'd have 4 titles as lead dog - 2nd only to Jordan if we're not including Russell. And among the 4 would be the two highest weighted title wins of all time.

I wouldn't close the door.

[KnicksWolves]

To me, LeBron officially lost his shot at overtaking Jordan when the 2011 Finals concluded. As a fan of LeBron, the way he chose to approach that Finals was an absolute head-scratcher.

[LeBird]

This thread is basically 3ball's way of saying "LeBron is the GOAT, I'm scared I have to change my life now".

[Duncan21formvp]

This thread is basically 3ball's way of saying "LeBron is the GOAT, I'm scared I have to change my life now".

Not when you have 2 bronze medals and lost with HCA 3 years. If Lebron was so good how, is it he has been down 3-2 every year of his career even with HCA?

[Paul George 24]

LeBron was only a teenager his first 2-3 seasons, meanwhile Jordan had the advantage of 3 years of college experience before he was drafted.




So you can't look at seasons played when comparing them











Through age 31, LeBron has had the better career

12 YEARS ONLY 3 RINGS,NUFF SAID

[Paul George 24]

3ball, who faced tougher Finals defenses and better competition in the Finals, Jordan or LeBron?

JORDAN OF COZ

[Paul George 24]

1-9

PIPPEN IS JUST A ROLE PLAYER WITHOUT JORDAN

[Paul George 24]

Without Jordan 55 Wins. Two Less Wins Than The Year Before.

Yeah Jordan Had A Mediocre Team Around Him

IN 1995,PIPPEN LEAD HIS TEAM TO 35WINS,31 LOSES,NUFF SAID

[Paul George 24]

One of the 50 greatest of all time!

IT'S BECAUSE JORDAN MADE HIM

[Round Mound]

IN 1995,PIPPEN LEAD HIS TEAM TO 35WINS,31 LOSES,NUFF SAID

Check Out Jordans Record Before Pippen, Grant and Phil Jackson.

NUFF F-SAID!

[Paul George 24]

Check Out Jordans Record Before Pippen, Grant and Phil Jackson.

NUFF F-SAID!

PHIL IS AN OVERRATED COACH,HE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE( JORDAN,SHAQ,KOBE )
PIPPEN IS A ROLE PLAYER IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON
1989 EAST CONF.PIPPEN CHOKED COST THE BULLS LOST AGAINST BAD BOY
1994 PIPPEN WITH 2 ALL STARS GRANT AND BJ AND CHOKE GAINST KNICKS IN GAME 7
AND 1998,WITHOUT PIPPEN,WITHOUT ANY STAR PALYER,JORDAN,RODMAN LED HIS TEAM TO 24WINS,11 LOSE

ANY EXCUSE

[Paul George 24]

PIPPEN'S CAREER HIGH IN PLAYOFFS EVEN LOWER THAN KAWHI'S

[AirBonner]

LeBron's career isn't over.