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Old Yesterday, 07:11 PM   #931
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Default Re: The 2017 off-season...Hayward, Hill, Ingles...?

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45150383&ni...y-out-the-door

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If Jazz fans are looking for one gripe with Hayward’s appearance on the podcast, it may come in his comparison of the history of the Celtics to that of the Jazz. Hayward noted how invested the fans and organization are to winning in Boston. He said the Jazz have a “tradition of success with John (Stockton) and with Karl (Malone), and Jerry Sloan” but that it wasn’t near the level of the Celtics, and he mentioned the team’s 17 championships.

The Celtics have won just one championship in Hayward’s lifetime, and their two finals appearances match that of the Jazz. Twelve of those championships came before the New Orleans Jazz existed as a franchise. Still, Hayward isn’t wrong when reflecting on the high level of success the Celtics have achieved compared to the Jazz.

The Celtics are going to do what it takes to win. The Jazz are going to do what it takes to make money. Winning isn't first in Utah and never has been and apparently despite the legacy trust never will be sadly. Boo him if you must but it's hard to blame him. This one's on the Jazz

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Hayward also downplayed the Jazz decision not to offer him a max contract as a restricted free agent in 2014, and the impact it had on him signing with Boston. The Jazz asked Hayward to find a max contract with another team, in Hayward’s case Charlotte, before matching that deal. Hayward said he felt spurned immediately following the contract agreement, but he understood the perspective of the Jazz.

They blew that one for sure!
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Old Yesterday, 07:29 PM   #932
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https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/7/25/16...alone-downbeat

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He adds that the additions of Thabo Sefolosha, Jonas Jerebko, and Ekpe Udoh (and might I add Ricky Rubio) will be similar to the additions of George Hill, Joe Johnson, and Boris Diaw last year.

except for the fact they can't shoot!

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The Jazz will be one of the deepest teams in the NBA next year, and hopefully get more our of their starting lineup than the pitiful 13 games last year.

Hopefully Hood will be on the bench and Favors on another team by the end of the year
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Old Today, 10:23 AM   #933
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Bobby Marks: The Joe Ingles contract in Utah starts at $14.1M in year 1 and descends each year with a $10.8M cap hit in 20-21. Utah with $111M in salary. – via Twitter BobbyMarks42

Good news that it's front loaded anyway
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Old Today, 04:01 PM   #934
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This is amazing news to hear. Not only does it show Ingles’ loyalty to the Jazz, it also shows that the Utah goes into negotiations prepared with both the player and team’s best interest in mind.

How is giving him less money than other teams have offered in his best interests? It's in the Jazz's best interest

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If you turn your clock back to October 2016 – all of 9 months ago – it wasn’t at all clear who was the best player among Gobert, Favors, and hairwookie,

Became clear in December 2014. Last year in the playoffs was the first time since that Rudy had been challenged as the man
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Old Today, 04:11 PM   #935
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And quite frankly, I think the Jazz ought to view 2017-18 as a year in which to evaluate for the future to see which players will fit into the long term plans and which ones may need to be reevaluated. So many of them, such as Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood and Dante Exum, have a severe need to re-solidify their worth this season and given that Utah’s championship hopes are bleak at best right now, they would do well to be patient rather than prematurely trade away any of those guys in a move that could come back to haunt them down the road.

Yet you keep trading Burks who has no value at the moment. A trade for Kyrie might not happen until December 15th anyway. By then hopefully you have a good idea of what you have. Other than Gobert and the two rookies I could see everyone on the table after that. Joe Johnson certainly should be now
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there’s an argument to be had that Utah and Boston truly aren’t that far apart.

We saw how far apart they are this off-season when they downgraded the roster. You can keep blaming Hayward all you want but this one is on the Jazz
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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/07/25/uta...yoffs-2017-18/

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Jazz general manager Dennis Lindsey isn’t interested in going back before moving forward though.

Had no choice. He already tried tanking with Rudy and they still almost made the playoffs

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Rodney Hood benefits most in this new-look team, becoming a primary scorer should he be able to shake the injury bug and see regular court time.

He and the team would benefit most being put in the role he is most suited for.

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with young Australian Dante Exum more than capable of dominating with the second unit.

Summer League makes him more than capable because we've yet to see it in the regular season. If you said Neto who has proven himself than sure

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There are productive players in every position, and should the Jazz finally be able to avoid an injury-riddled season, their depth will see them make the playoffs for the second season in a row.

If they were in the East maybe. The west is too good no matter how healthy the Jazz are. You can't play one end of the court

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Exum is primed and ready to build on his 6.2 points and 1.2 assists per game.

you would hope so

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Hood will be forced to add to the 12.7 points on 40 percent shooting from last season.

So 18 a game on 35% shooting?
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Old Today, 04:37 PM   #938
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http://sircharlesincharge.com/2017/0...h-jazz-2017/2/

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Hayward was a very good defender, but the Jazz can make up for his loss on that end. Ingles, Hood and newly acquired Thabo Sefolosha gives them enough wings to hold down the spot.

now Hood defends too?

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Utah was 4th in defensive rebounding and Rubio will help them stay there if not improve it

will miss Hayward there

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Rubio will become Utah’s primary ball handler in pick-and-rolls. Expect Joe Ingles to still run some of his sexy secondary pick-and-rolls.

An where does that leave Hood who needs the ball in his hands. 6th man

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Rubio will form a mean pick-and-roll tandem with Gobert. The Jazz have enough shooting around them

Ingles is enough?

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Gobert could have a career high in points this year. He will get so many easy looks. Rubio’s passing and ability to dictate pace are perfect for Utah.

The defense will pack it in the paint with lack of shooters. Rudy did what he did last year with the floor spread

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Utah will have to make up for it by adding more shooting around him. That means Favors probably won’t start at the 4.

You'd think but they added no shooters other than their 5th big! Favors starts. Have to showcase him to trade him. Too bad he won't have shooters around him so he can do his things

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Most times, the Jazz will only keep one true big on the floor.

Except for the 15 minutes or so Favors plays with Rudy. Udoh is supposed to be able to play the 4 as well. The wings can't shoot either though!

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A starting five of Rubio, Hood, Ingles, Jerekbo and Gobert is solid. They are also deep with Johnson, Favors, Mitchell and Sefolosha coming off the bench.

Jonas isn't playing until they trade Favors and Johnson. Mitchel is an unproven rookie. Sefolosha should be an end of the bench defensive specialist. At least you didn't mention Exum!

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