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Old 09-16-2018, 02:31 AM   #76
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socialism.

California passed a bill to borrow $4B from taxpayers to build a train that runs from SF to LA.; rest would be funded by private investors. Over the years it has turned into a $100B boondoggle with no private investors... and it is an invisible train.

The money has gone to Jerry Brown (gov) and his friends.

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Old 09-16-2018, 02:33 AM   #77
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time out. time out.... time out.

so you're telling me that cuomo implementing 'murrica's first free college program, raising the minimum wage to $15, paid family leave, and potentially single payer isn't because lower/middle class voters pushed/rallied for that legislation... legislation that socialists/progressives have pushed/rallied for (with 0 results)... but because it's some sort of corporate conspiracy by mark zuckerberg involving farts?

story checks out.




are you really so incapable of countering anything I am saying that you have to resort to this childish bullshit? even for a 12 year old like me, thats kind of embarrassing.

thinking that a couple of progressive laws in new york invalidates the scientific fact that the wealthy control legislation is like thinking that a blizzard invalidates the science of climate change.

anyway, i have better shit to do than watch you build straw men. keep licking those boots, maybe they will feed you another crumb.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:46 AM   #78
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"we want free college! fight for 15! paid family leave!"














"fuckerberg! farts!"



some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Old 09-16-2018, 03:03 AM   #79
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1) state/community colleges in nyc are like $7k per year max. no one is paying $100k per person with excelsior.

2) lowering taxes for corporations and the rich (maga) is what always... ALWAYS leads to exploding deficits (and recessions/depressions), so i'm not seeing the connection here.

1. When you speak if tuition costs, you aren't taking into account the money stolen from the taxpayers. Community college was $500/yr in CA max. Again, not taking into account money stolen from taxpayers. Community college is still "free" for a lot of students in CA, but let's not get bogged down in the details of community colleges. I'm not going to argue the cost of community college. They are obviously cheaper and I liked how you brought them up because they are actually very affordable around the country.

Excelsior? Let's see, https://my.excelsior.edu/secapps/CostCal/ECCost.jsf shows a cost of $68,735 for a bachelor's degree in humanities in New York. Free college my ass. Go for a masters and it's $92,380. What's your opinion? Good idea to fund this or bad idea?

Most students won't work to cover living expenses, so they'll have to borrow money for that... so yeah, $100k+ and 4 wasted years for a BA in humanities. If I am the guy at the top of that college I'm loving your idea of "free college."


2. Once again, you cite Trump's tax plan as a reason the deficit is growing, yet the federal gov't is set to increase the amount of taxes it will receive under Trump's plan that has been set into action for 2018 and beyond. Under Trump, the federal government will take in more money than ever before. Yet, you're mad because you want Trump and Feds to take more... you're insane


FY 2019 - $3.422 trillion, estimated.
FY 2018 - $3.34 trillion, estimated.
FY 2017 - $3.32 trillion.
FY 2016 - $3.27 trillion.

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Old 09-16-2018, 07:15 AM   #80
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"fuckerberg! farts!"



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Gonna be sweet when the jobs promised from a basket weaving degree don't exist and NY goes into million dollars of student debt because of it.
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