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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
What kind of question is this?
You take Doc J 10 out of 10 times.
Yup.
First of all it's easier to build around a picture perfect wing player like Erving than to build around a stretch 4.
There is that and..., Julius Erving was just flat out better than Dirk too.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by LJJ
Yup.
First of all it's easier to build around a picture perfect wing player like Erving than to build around a stretch 4.
There is that and..., Julius Erving was just flat out better than Dirk too.
No..he simply wasn't. I think Dirk was the better player actually.
LOL @ flat out better. Nope. Try again.
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Local High School Star
Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
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No..he simply wasn't. I think Dirk was the better player actually.
LOL @ flat out better. Nope. Try again.
Are you even old enough to have seen him play in his prime?
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
fixed.
No hate, but Dirk Nowitzki doesn't sell tickets.
No hate or no logic? Dallas had Atlanta Hawk keel attendance for years, acquired Dirk Nowitzki, watched him become a huge star, and have sold out ever since,
Trust me, as someone that actually lives in DFW, Dirk is a gigantic draw. He is the Mavs. Others have come and gone, but the fans have stayed because Dirk has stayed.
Not sure if you guys are being serious or not but Dirk is a much better player to build around than Erving was. He was a notch above Melo, a notch below LeBron, and a notch bellow Nowitzki.
It's just how it is. Moses Malone...better than Nowitzki. Dr. J? Umm, no.
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by Lord Leoshes
Are you even old enough to have seen him play in his prime?
Are you? This notion that Dr. J was easily better than a guy like Dirk is silly. I saw Dr. J play from 79 on...which was his 2nd or 3rd NBA season.
His impact was simply not "flat out" better than Dirk's....
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
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No..he simply wasn't. I think Dirk was the better player actually.
LOL @ flat out better. Nope. Try again.
Try again?
I don't need to explain anything to you. You are one of the most delusional stans on this site. Go find me one sane poster who says Erving isn't better. He doesn't exist.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by LJJ
Try again?
I don't need to explain anything to you. You are one of the most delusional stans on this site. Go find me one sane poster who says Erving isn't better. He doesn't exist.
Oh ok. You can't explain it. The only thing would be nostalgia....they are absolutely on the same tier as players.
I have no issue with someone saying Doc, but its not clear cut.
Funny how being called a stan...people said the same thing last year...saying Dirk could never lead a team to the title etc.
LOL
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Local High School Star
Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Are you? This notion that Dr. J was easily better than a guy like Dirk is silly. I saw Dr. J play from 79 on...which was his 2nd or 3rd NBA season.
His impact was simply not "flat out" better than Dirk's....
I am 42 years old, & yes ive seen him play often.
Out of curiosity, do you see Dirk as being = defensively as Erving, or is your opinion only on the offense end?
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Funny how being called a stan...people said the same thing last year...saying Dirk could never lead a team to the title etc.
LOL
You are a stan. Are you going to sit here and act like you aren't all over every Dirk thread like flies on shit, defending your little prince? Lol.
And yes, that type of behavior is considered pathetic by all sane folks.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by Lord Leoshes
I am 42 years old, & yes ive seen him play often.
Out of curiosity, do you see Dirk as being = defensively as Erving, or is your opinion only on the offense end?
Its about overall impact. I don't break players down like you do I guess. It leads to poor conclusions in my opinion.
They are on the same tier as players. Its not just me. Bill Simmons ranked Dr. J 16th in his book. He's recently said he would rank Dirk for sure in the top 18.
Is he a Dirk stan?
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Hmmm.... do I have to suffer through younger Dirk. Cause his game has certainly evolved.
I'll take Dirk in this one. I Just like the match-ups he presents better.
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by LJJ
You are a stan. Are you going to sit here and act like you aren't all over every Dirk thread like flies on shit, defending your little prince? Lol.
And yes, that type of behavior is considered pathetic by all sane folks.
Bill Simmons ranked Dr. J 16th in his book. He has recently said he'd put Dirk at 18 at worse.
Is he also a Dirk stan?
I'm a fan of Dirk, but it doesn't change the fact that what I'm saying is valid. Comparing someone like Dirk to Duncan is absurd. Comparing Dirk to a guy on a different tier like Doc, Hondo, or Baylor is fine because they are all on the same tier as players.
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Dr. J, unless you are ignoring his ABA years which would be stupid since the ABA was just as competitive and talented as the NBA back when he played for the ABA.
I love Dirk and I almost always defend him from all his moronic critics but he is no Dr. J.
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Re: Build Franchise: Julius Erving Or Dirk Nowitzki?
Originally Posted by DMAVS41
Bill Simmons ranked Dr. J 16th in his book. He has recently said he'd put Dirk at 18 at worse.
Is he also a Dirk stan?
I'm a fan of Dirk, but it doesn't change the fact that what I'm saying is valid. Comparing someone like Dirk to Duncan is absurd. Comparing Dirk to a guy on a different tier like Doc, Hondo, or Baylor is fine because they are all on the same tier as players.
How many lists from respectable sources do you see that have Nowitzki ranked over Doc? If someone is rated better every time, saying he is flat out better is justified.
Let's face it. Compared to his peers: Doc was widely considered to be the second best player of the 70s. Dirk is somewhere down on that peers list, well behind Duncan, Shaq, Kobe. Dirk is a distant fourth at the very best and could be argued to be quite a bit lower. And it's not like the 00s was a strong generation.
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