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Old 08-09-2018, 12:54 AM   #1
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Question How good would Steph Curry be in the 90's with a shortened 3pt line?

Lack of perimeter defense. It would be unfair. He would force MJ into a 3rd retirement
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:56 AM   #2
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Hes better off today. He would be manhandled into oblivion

Players like Ben Wallace and even Lebron would have done better in 90s. Not Curry or Harden or amy of the finesse players
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:58 AM   #3
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Hes better off today. He would be manhandled into oblivion

Players like Ben Wallace and even Lebron would have done better in 90s. Not Curry or Harden or amy of the finesse players
90's era has entered tall tale status. Let me guess Shaq was picking other centers up like a coffee cup?
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:01 AM   #4
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Default Re: How good would Steph Curry be in the 90's with a shortened 3pt line?

He'd be good 20 years ago 40 years ago 60 years ago it dont matter

Chef is the best pg of all time i have no bias.....
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:03 AM   #5
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He'd be good 20 years ago 40 years ago 60 years ago it dont matter

Chef is the best pg of all time i have no bias.....

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Old 08-09-2018, 01:10 AM   #6
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90's era has entered tall tale status. Let me guess Shaq was picking other centers up like a coffee cup?

It was DIFFERENT. Not necessarily better.

Curry would have done well. but not as much as today. Both Curry and Harden are a product of todays game. Im a curry fan, but i wouldnt want to see Bruce Bowen/Isaiah Thomas guarding him.

And yes, Shaq was destroying people back then. He had his way with just about anyone in the league.

MJ didnt become MJ until he jumped on the cycle. He was a finesse player who realised you needed strength to succeed back then.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:17 AM   #7
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Default Re: How good would Steph Curry be in the 90's with a shortened 3pt line?

It was harder to get 3-point looks with the offenses that were used in the 90's

Previous eras didn't have today's high screen roll and drive-and-kick offenses that generate 30 threes a game..

today's players get to wait for kickouts, while previous eras had less kickouts and more running off a thousand screens for a 3-pt look

And the rules were tougher so defenders were allowed to bump cutters like curry and knock them to the ground.. frankly, curry wouldn't make it through a season, in addition to his reduced 3-pt looks.. and curry is only an average midrange shooter
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:29 AM   #8
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It was harder to get 3-point looks with the offenses that were used in the 90's

Previous eras didn't have today's high screen roll and drive-and-kick offenses that generate 30 threes a game..

today's players get to wait for kickouts, while previous eras had less kickouts and more running off a thousand screens for a 3-pt look

And the rules were tougher so defenders were allowed to bump cutters like curry and knock them to the ground.. frankly, curry wouldn't make it through a season, in addition to his reduced 3-pt looks.. and curry is only an average midrange shooter
They packed the paint defensively in the 90's. The league would ban the 3 point shot it would be so unfair. Curry's 3pt % would be better than Jordan's 2pt %
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:59 AM   #9
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Considering he's been prone to struggling against physical defense in the playoffs and being relatively fragile, it would be interesting. Handchecking makes it harder for breaking your man down off the dribble, the painted area was packed and you had true shotblockers protecting the rim. Offenses today are tailored to produce high volumes of 3's, not in the 90's.

We get into this habit of transporting players from a current era to a past one, without taking into account that every player mostly adapts to the rules of whatever era they're in. Curry isn't going to be the same player in 1995, because he wouldn't need to be, so his game wouldn't be tailored to be. Would he be a great shooter? Sure, maybe a steroid version of Mark Price( who seems to have gotten lost in time, but was kind of a precursor to the Nash/Curry mold of PG).

But taking 11 3's a game like he did back in 2016? 67% TS numbers as a mostly long-range sniper? Nah....someone back then would have knocked him on his ass doing the shit I see him doing nowadays.

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Old 08-09-2018, 09:11 AM   #10
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Considering he's been prone to struggling against physical defense in the playoffs and being relatively fragile, it would be interesting. Handchecking makes it harder for breaking your man down off the dribble, the painted area was packed and you had true shotblockers protecting the rim. Offenses today are tailored to produce high volumes of 3's, not in the 90's.

We get into this habit of transporting players from a current era to a past one, without taking into account that every player mostly adapts to the rules of whatever era they're in. Curry isn't going to be the same player in 1995, because he wouldn't need to be, so his game wouldn't be tailored to be. Would he be a great shooter? Sure, maybe a steroid version of Mark Price( who seems to have gotten lost in time, but was kind of a precursor to the Nash/Curry mold of PG).

But taking 11 3's a game like he did back in 2016? Nah....
If he was making that 3pt shot at a 45% rate like he did in 2016,(with a non-shortened line and further) then coaches sure as hell would be trying to find ways to get him open outside the line in the mid 90's, no?
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:50 AM   #11
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Bro, I love Steph but do you see how every year in the playoffs hes not quite the same as regular season Steph?

That's because playoffs basketball is pretty much 90s basketball in terms of physicality and the refs allowing more.

Steph is obviously transcendent in any era but if you still think Steph would score 50ppg on 90% in the 90s then you're delusional
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:53 AM   #12
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If he was making that 3pt shot at a 45% rate like he did in 2016,(with a non-shortened line and further) then coaches sure as hell would be trying to find ways to get him open outside the line in the mid 90's, no?

Again....as my post expressed are we talking about Curry as we know him today, or Curry as his skillset likely develops being a product of the 90's? Because we can't judge these types of scenarios on a straight line.

If you want to simply do the 'put 2016 Curry in 1990' without the above context....just throw him in a time machine as we tend to do.... is he *this* guy? Well, beyond his shooting his iso-dribbling ability to set up his shooting is unparalleled. But that ability exists in an era where perimeter players are mostly uninhibited by a lack of physical defense. So is he breaking free with ease when you can put your forearm in his kidney, or use one hand to steer him in the direction you want to go? Let's put him against the 92 Knicks, where you got guys like John Starks, Greg Anthony, Derek Harper, Gerald Wilkins on the perimeter to stick to him like glue, and if he manages to get past them, you got Charles Smith, Anthony Mason, Oakley and X-man clogging up the mid-range area....then you got Ewing at the rim when all else fails. What kind of toll does that take over 7 games? You think he's '2016 Curry' then? I don't. He's struggled at times against physicality in this era....and this era by design is less physical. Like, way less. Cleveland basically bully-balled him in 2016, and they would by no means be considered 'physical' by 90's rules. No, that doesn't mean 'better'....let's be clear. Some players from the 90's wouldn't be as heralded today either, because they don't have the requisite skillset and maybe they're just very, very good...but not great. Glen Rice was considered a great shooter in 1997. He's just be one of several today. So it's not as if it's a one-way street, and really it's an unfair situation to put players in whether it be today or 20 years ago.

As I said before, a better version of Mark Price is probably a safer bet than thinking he's 2016 unanimous MVP Curry. Somewhere in the middle of that. And Price was top-tier in the early 90's, couldn't get past Chicago and didn't get the love of a John Stockton, or KJ, or Tim Hardaway, or Gary Payton. And really, that's not a knock on him. Mark Price would be better in this era( not Curry good, but better) for the same reasons that allow Curry to do what he does right now. I mean, don't take my position to mean he wouldn't be great. That kind of marksmanship transcends eras. But will he have the same opportunities based on era rules, the physicality? Is he as likely to dominate in what was basically a big man's league, as he is what is a perimeter player's one in 2018? It shouldn't be underestimated that Curry( and the Warriors by extension) are probably more suited to this era than any other team was for theirs. Like, it's as if he/they were literally breed for THIS era.

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Old 08-09-2018, 12:35 PM   #13
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500-600 total threes

40ppg

Break the record for 50 point games in a season

Hit at least 20 3pointers in a single game

It would be off the chain
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:23 PM   #14
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He would be a rich man's Mahmoud Abdul Rauf. Which is great.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:56 PM   #15
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Obviously still elite.
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