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Old 03-20-2011, 12:22 AM   #106
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Has nothing to do with Kobe. Almost all of those formulas and advanced metrics/stats are meaningless. (A couple advanced statistics are somewhat useful though.)

For the most part, the only stats I take into consideration are the basics; points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, FG%, 3P%, FT% and turnovers.


You sure you take BOTH OF THESE into consideration?
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:35 AM   #107
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You sure you take BOTH OF THESE into consideration?

Of course. Raw stats are very useful and a good indicator, in correct context of course.

I only have a problem with John Hollinger type analysts who only use pure stats and no context or understanding of the game to justify their opinions or reasoning for placing one player over another.


FYI, Hollinger once said he watches 4 NBA games a year.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:38 AM   #108
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Of course. Raw stats are very useful and a good indicator, in correct context of course.

I only have a problem with John Hollinger type analysts who only use pure stats and no context or understanding of the game to justify their opinions or reasoning for placing one player over another.


FYI, Hollinger once said he watches 4 NBA games a year.



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Old 03-20-2011, 12:51 AM   #109
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Default Re: Without Kobe Bryant in the lineup, the Lakers would be ________.

I just love the way Kobe plays. You never question what Kobe is playing for and that is to win!!. I dont like the feeling of players playing for stats. bryant doesn't care about his assists totals, his point totals, his rebound totals, he just cares about winning. He's still the most skilled scorer in the league and after 14 years in the league he still has some of the worst shot selection you'll see but hsi ability to make those bad shots is something special and a sight to behold ezpecially when the big bucket in needed. For every game he shoots the Lakers out of he shoots them right back in. He's a great passer that never has gotten much credit for his superior court vision simply becasue he doesnt average the high number of assists but kobe bryant is the best passer out his jump of any wing player in the league and also throws the best lobs and leads and leads. He doesn't play defense that much in the regular season anymore but he has some of the best defense technique you;ll see.



Lakers without Kobe are not as good as they are now. They probably make the playoffs but leave in the first Round Pau Gasol cannot carry a team to a championship as a primary option
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:06 AM   #110
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50-52 wins. 1st or 2nd round exit. But they go from being a championship favorite to just another "good" team like the Blazers or Thunder or Hawks, which makes Bryant extremely valuable.
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Old 03-20-2011, 04:54 AM   #111
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Without Kobe Bryant in the lineup, the Lakers would be starting Shannon Brown.
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:00 AM   #112
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No, longer Championship Caliber. Good team though, but not a Championship team.
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:17 AM   #113
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A younger Gasol led the Grizzlies to 45-50 wins with a worse team and coach. The Lakers last year without Kobe were 6-3.

They probably win about 45-55 wins. I don't think people realize that when a team has a superstar, the supporting cast tends to rely more on the superstar and do not have as much of a sense of urgency because of that superstar. This results in people thinking that these teams, like these Lakers and the 90s Bulls, would be absolutely horrible without their best player. Thats not the case at all. The current Denver Nuggets w/o Melo and the Portland Trailblazers w/ injury riddled Brandon Roy are perfect examples of this. A team of Gasol/Bynum/Odom coached by Phil Jackson is still very good. They're not winning a title, but they're still very good.

And nobody should bother bringing up this year's Cavs. Thats a different situation. Those other teams relied on their superstar because that superstar is that great, not cause they desperately needed to alot. The Cavs relied on Lebron because he was that great, and BECAUSE they desperately needed to alot. Not to mention tha they are alot different then they were last year, even besides Lebron.


and never won a playoff game.
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:23 AM   #114
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You Stans constantly peddle this story like the Bulls were just 1 call away from winning the championship or something.

Fact:

Bulls with Jordan: Championship
Bulls without Jordan: No Championship

Get over it.


Fact: Bull's/Wizards with Jordan and no Pippen in 1985 , 1986 , 1987 , 2002 , 2003 = Losing season

Bull's without Jordan (replaced by a CBA player) = 55 win team top 5 team in the NBA.

You mad the supposedly "GOAT" got replaced by a CBA player and the Bull's still were a great team
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Old 03-20-2011, 05:26 AM   #115
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and never won a playoff game.

yup, what a loser - he was just coming up against a much better team with a much better coach like Spurs...obviously he should have swept those pretenders to justify his playoff "prowess"
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