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    Default People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    These are general somewhat consensus top 10 discussion worthy players.

    For example, I can say I've watched Kobe seriously because I was at both an age + level of commitment to watching the NBA to know what was going on.

    To have "watched" I'd say you need to have been above 13 years old + watch at least 40 NBA games per year consistently and/or play consistently.

    Tier 1 watched (2% of the board)
    Wilt
    Russell
    Kareem
    Magic
    Bird
    Hakeem
    Charles
    Jordan

    Tier 2 watched (10% of the board)
    Shaq
    Kobe
    Duncan
    Garnett


    Tier 3 watched (95% of the board)
    Lebron


    Why is it that there are so many people on this board that believe they know anything about those Tier 1 players at all. Tier 2 at least most of us watched at least half or more of their career. Tier 3 pretty much everyone has watched.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Top 10; from players I watched only.

    1) Michael Jordan
    2) Magic Johnson
    3) Larry Bird
    4) Kobe Bryant
    5) Tim Duncan
    6) Shaquille O'Neal
    7) LeBron James
    8) Hakeem Olajuwon
    9) Kevin Garnett
    10) Charles Barkley

    HM: Wade & Malone.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    OP's logic: if most of this board doesn't like the players i like then they haven't watched those players.

    This logic only applies to wilt, russell and to some extent kareem. Everyone can watch pretty much every good game of bird, magic and jordan.
    If anything, youtube helps create only positive image for past greats given that their bad games are normally not there.

    Excluding kareem, russell and wilt this is my top 10:

    1. Jordan
    2. Tim Duncan
    3. Kobe
    4. Bird
    5. Shaq
    6. LeBron
    7. Magic
    8. Hakeem
    9. KG
    10. Barkley
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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    I watched everyone in my top 10 play except for Wilt and Russell.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    So you would say that watching a few youtube highlights of a player equates to knowing how good they really were? Even watching a few games shows you nothing.

    Ridiculous logic.

    We argue daily about Kobe/Lebron/Duncan etc on here. A large part of that is the day to day, week to week fluctuations of what they are able to do. Seeing their historic runs, flaws, etc is what makes us understand how they did as a player in their whole career.

    If I went back and watched some random game of Bird's from 1979 I'd have no context to really put it in place. I wouldn't know how good the other players are etc - only marginally know about the rest of the league.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Ok, here my new top 10

    1. Durant, Kevin
    2. James, Lebron
    3. Duncan, Timothy
    4. O'neal, Shaquille
    5. Bryant, Kobe
    6. Garnett, Kevin
    7. Wade, Dwayne
    8. Gasol, Pau
    9. Ginobili, Manu
    10. Westbrook, Russell

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    I think Hakeem, Barkley, and Jordan should be in their own tier at 10%. Besides that, I agree with your point. You can be 30 now and have watched Jordan's 2nd 3peat at a decent age of understanding if you're a hardcore fan.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    I read, watch, and listen.

    You are basically asking how can anyone know anything about the past.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose'sACL
    OP's logic: if most of this board doesn't like the players i like then they haven't watched those players.

    This logic only applies to wilt, russell and to some extent kareem. Everyone can watch pretty much every good game of bird, magic and jordan.
    If anything, youtube helps create only positive image for past greats given that their bad games are normally not there.

    Excluding kareem, russell and wilt this is my top 10:

    1. Jordan
    2. Tim Duncan
    3. Kobe
    4. Bird
    5. Shaq
    6. LeBron
    7. Magic
    8. Hakeem
    9. KG
    10. Barkley
    kobe number 3.... dam.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by sundizz
    So you would say that watching a few youtube highlights of a player equates to knowing how good they really were? Even watching a few games shows you nothing.

    Ridiculous logic.

    We argue daily about Kobe/Lebron/Duncan etc on here. A large part of that is the day to day, week to week fluctuations of what they are able to do. Seeing their historic runs, flaws, etc is what makes us understand how they did as a player in their whole career.

    If I went back and watched some random game of Bird's from 1979 I'd have no context to really put it in place. I wouldn't know how good the other players are etc - only marginally know about the rest of the league.
    i have watched almost all playoffs games from 80s either on tv or through internet.

    Very few regular season games were shown on tv that didn't involve your local team even in bird and magic's prime.

    By your logic, no one other than people born in the 40s have any idea what they are talking about.
    Last edited by Rose'sACL; 07-17-2015 at 04:24 PM.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose'sACL
    i have watched almost all playoffs games from 80s either on tv or through internet.

    Very few regular season games were shown on tv that didn't involve your local team even in bird and magic's prime.

    By your logic, no one other than people born in the 40s have any idea what they are talking about.
    Not at all.

    Im saying old people can and should debate endlessly about how good Wilt or Russell or Bird are compared to Kobe/Lebron etc.

    It just doesn't make any sense when young people argue and debate about them.

    Just like in 20 years anything my 3 year old nephew says about Kobe will be taken with a smile and head nod. Regardless of what he watches he is not a part of the Kobe era and doesnt understand the year and year out progression.

    Someone that is 50 understands (if they have been a huge bball fan/knowledge) how the game has changed and how certain players would translate to the modern game. They may be wrong, but at least them debating with other geezers makes sense.

    What doesnt make sense is a bunch of under 30 people arguing about how good Wilt or Russell are. They only understand them in a vacuum.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by sundizz
    Not at all.

    Im saying old people can and should debate endlessly about how good Wilt or Russell or Bird are compared to Kobe/Lebron etc.

    It just doesn't make any sense when young people argue and debate about them.

    Just like in 20 years anything my 3 year old nephew says about Kobe will be taken with a smile and head nod. Regardless of what he watches he is not a part of the Kobe era and doesnt understand the year and year out progression.

    Someone that is 50 understands (if they have been a huge bball fan/knowledge) how the game has changed and how certain players would translate to the modern game. They may be wrong, but at least them debating with other geezers makes sense.

    What doesnt make sense is a bunch of under 30 people arguing about how good Wilt or Russell are. They only understand them in a vacuum.
    You're an idiot. Russell and wilt are different from Kobe, Duncan or lebron and even magic and bird.
    The reason is that not enough footage is available to make any solid conclusion about how good or bad they were. Nearly all games will be available for current stars and I can direct new fans towards those in future debates. This is not the case with wilt and Russell.

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy D for MVP
    I read, watch, and listen.

    You are basically asking how can anyone know anything about the past.
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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    Quote Originally Posted by West-Side
    Top 10; from players I watched only.

    1) Michael Jordan
    2) Magic Johnson
    3) Larry Bird
    4) Kobe Bryant
    5) Tim Duncan
    6) Shaquille O'Neal
    7) LeBron James
    8) Hakeem Olajuwon
    9) Kevin Garnett
    10) Charles Barkley

    HM: Wade & Malone.


    here is mine from 2000 (a kid) to now...

    1) LBJ (he may drop a spot if he can't hold on ... fans can only make excuses for so long ... I got no problem for now because I think the excuses are good ones but there has to be another ring coming soon...)
    2) Kobe (my MJ)

    3) Duncan (the greatest bigman)
    4) Shaq (one of the greatest centers)

    5) A. Iverson (most underrated ever)
    6) Kevin Garnett (your ideal PF, intense as hell)

    7) Dirk Nowitzki (at times unstoppable)
    8) Steph Curry (greatest shooter with decent all round game)

    9) Steve Nash (the heart of a champion... the one-eyed game...)
    10) Jason Kidd (had the East running scared of the NJ Nets)

    hon. mentions: old/Uncle Reggie Miller, Paul Pierce (a consistent all round baller), Kevin Durant (talented but overhyped imo

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    Default Re: People here haven't watched most of their top 10

    of course nearly nobody mentions Dirk. but ok.

    my top players i've watched playing:

    1. Lebron
    2. Shaq
    3. Dirk/Durant
    4. Duncan
    5. Kobe
    6. wade
    7. Garnett
    8. Pierce
    9. Gasol
    10. Jason Kidd

    HM: Parker, Ginobili,

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