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    Default Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

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    [COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR]NBA.com describes 4-6 feet distance as "open" and 6+ feet as "wide open"



    [COLOR="White"]........................................[/COLOR]0-2 ft (very tight)[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 2-4 ft (tight)[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 4-6 ft (open)[COLOR="White"].... [/COLOR]6+ ft (very open)

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]LEAGUE-AVERAGE
    3-PT ATTEMPTS PER GAME
    [/COLOR] [COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][COLOR="White"]........[/COLOR]0.4[COLOR="White"]....................[/COLOR] 4.1[COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR]9.9[COLOR="White"]..................[/COLOR]9.4 [COLOR="DarkGreen"]<-- nba.com[/COLOR]

    [COLOR="DarkRed"]PERCENTAGE OF
    TOTAL 3-PT ATTEMPTS
    [/COLOR] [COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR][COLOR="White"]............[/COLOR]1.7%[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR] 17.2%[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR]41.6%[COLOR="White"].............[/COLOR]39.5%



    Over 80% of today's 3-point looks are "open" or "wide open"..

    Today's open 3-point looks shouldn't be a surprise because with MULTIPLE players standing behind the line on every play, the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

    In previous eras, only 1 player would be standing behind the line, so defenses didn't need complicated rotations and a defender could hug his man at the 3-point line easier without needing to come off him.

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Why didn't previous eras shoot 3's as often as today?


    If it's such a high efficiency and easy shot, shouldn't they have attempted more?

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Curry >>> Jordan

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke117
    Curry >>> Jordan
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    In previous eras, only 1 player would be standing behind the line, so defenses didn't need complicated rotations and a defender could hug his man at the 3-point line easier without needing to come off him.






    I think we're done here.

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon

    I think we're done here.
    I can post one-off examples of teams posting up centers in today's game.

    But obviously, teams rarely post-up compared to previous eras, just like previous eras rarely shot 3-pointers/spaced the floor compared today's era.

    Posting one-off exceptions to obvious, well-known norms only make you look ignorant, like you have no clue of what's happened historically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    I can post one-off examples of teams posting up centers in today's game.

    But obviously, teams rarely post-up compared to previous eras, just like previous eras rarely shot 3-pointers/spaced the floor compared today's era.

    Posting one-off exceptions to obvious, well-known norms only make you look ignorant, like you have no clue of what's happened historically.
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    Just a reminder of your futility, see ya next thread.

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by DonDraper

    Why didn't previous eras shoot 3's as often as today?
    Since very few players were good at 3-pointers in previous eras, no one envisioned a scenario where shooting a bunch of 3-pointers would be advantageous to the offense.

    Accordingly, the 3-point shot was considered a novelty and good 3-point shooters were considered rare anomalies.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonDraper

    shouldn't they have attempted more?
    It was considered a novelty, not a highly efficiency shot.. Players didn't start heavily practicing the 3-point shot until the 2000's.

    And in previous eras, since the defender's man was rarely a good shooter, defenders HEAVILY sagged off the 3-point line and packed the paint instead.. [COLOR="Navy"]However, the few good 3-point shooters that existed were guarded tightly - ALL eras guard good shooters tightly.[/COLOR]

    Today's era probably guards 3-pointers the LEAST tightly, since the OP data shows that over 80% of 3-pointers are "open" or "wide open".. With MULTIPLE players standing behind the line on every play, the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time.

    But in previous eras, only 1 player would be standing behind the line, so defenses didn't need complicated rotations and a defender could hug his man at the 3-point line easier without needing to come off him.

    Additionally, hand-checking was legal back then, whereas it's illegal today - the NBA's current hands-off rule requires space between defender and ballhandler, allowing for easier driving and shooting than previous eras.
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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    I can post one-off examples of teams posting up centers in today's game.

    But obviously, teams rarely post-up compared to previous eras, just like previous eras rarely shot 3-pointers/spaced the floor compared today's era.

    Posting one-off exceptions to obvious, well-known norms only make you look ignorant, like you have no clue of what's happened historically.
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    Also, isn't this concept basically the entire foundation your 20,000 plus posts are built upon?

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by sdot_thadon

    isn't this concept basically the entire foundation your 20,000 plus posts are built upon?
    No - my threads use stats that have massive sample sizes - look at the OP - most of today's 3-pointers are "open" or "wide open"... The sample size is all of the 3-pointers taken this season.

    My other thread used stats from Lebron's entire career to show that he lowers the APG of teammates (playmaking), while increasing their assisted rate (play-finishing) - this proves he turns teammates from playmakers to play-finishers - again, the sample size was Lebron's entire career.

    Virtually ALL of my threads use stats with massive sample sizes in this manner - I've virtually NEVER used a one-off example to make a generalization on this site - EVER... Only dumb people do that
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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    You can't really make this statement

    Most 90's squads only used one side of the court on offense...

    Because they could. Floor spacing was RULE ENFORCED thanks to the illegal defense guidelines

    I've made many threads on this as everyone knows. This RULE ENFORCED SPACING allowed teams to get away with playing less shooters and more rebounders. It was very common to see Rodman camped out at the three point line, and the defender had to guard him because the rules said so.

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Quote Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin

    It was very common to see Rodman camped out at the three point line
    Rodman was almost never camped out behind the 3-point line - you sound stupid trying to push such an obvious lie.


    Quote Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin

    defenders had to guard Rodman tightly at the 3-point line because the rules said so.
    Again, you sound stupid trying to push such an obvious lie - a 30 second glance at footage shows that defenders in previous eras were allowed to sag off shooters just as much as today's defender.

    Infact, today's defender can only sag off 3-point shooters until they meet the paint (where defensive 3 seconds kicks in), whereas defenders in previous eras could sag off shooters further - weakside defenders could sag off shooters and paint-camp indefinitely in the "outside lane" (the outer partition that runs up each side of the paint).


    Quote Originally Posted by Im Still Ballin

    Most 90's squads only used one side of the court on offense...
    This is very true - in previous eras, ballhandlers faced strongsides that contained all 5 defenders because teams didn't space the weakside - they didn't have have 3-point shooters on the weakside to space defenders over the ENTIRE court like today's game.

    Otoh, today's game shoots a ton of 3-pointers and spaces the weakside on every play, which allows ballhandlers and post players face less strongside defenders.

    It's cool that you pointed this out and everything, but I already illustrated today's lower number of strongside defenders here:

    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...3&postcount=31
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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    He wouldn't do it often

    The best position for an elite rebounder like Rodman is baseline edge of the key

    He would however, every now and then, pull a trap on his direct man defender by running to the 3pt line and getting the ref to call an illegal defense violation

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Common set up for a Jordan post up/iso on the wing/clear out was like this

    Jordan on the wing either sizing up his opponent with a dribble or posting up

    2 players at the top of the baseline/3pt line

    Rodman/big man rebounder at the baseline edge of the key on the opposite side to Jordan

    And a man on the opposite wing, usually in the corner

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    Default Re: Most of today's 3-point attempts are OPEN or WIDE OPEN

    Except Curry's...dudes are all over him.

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