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Old 12-09-2012, 12:02 AM   #31
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Default Re: Does anyone honestly think Blake Griffin is playing better than ZBO this year?

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Can't assess value to a player based on their synergy with a teammate, that's bogus. I didn't try to imply the gap between the players as a whole is huge but rather Blake wins by a little bit in all facets outside of rebounding. So it's a joke to say Zach is better in every way or w/e people were saying. Zach is playing 4 more minutes a game and taking more shots.

When you are second in the NBA in offensive rebounds you are going to get extra shots.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:04 AM   #32
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Clipper fans on this forum are like when you see a van pull up and like 20 people come out. Only ones picking Blake are Clipper fans that's weird.

You think the Clippers would be better with ZBO versus Blake?
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:05 AM   #33
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When you are second in the NBA in offensive rebounds you are going to get extra shots.

Again address how Blake is scoring more in less minutes/shot attempts, is racking up about 3 times the assists, is defending better, is more efficient? You have no argument at all because you prefer to play Devil's Advocate rather than actually watch and analyze basketball. Your dislike for me has blinded you to facts, reasoning and logic.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:06 AM   #34
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Then fu**ing explain it bro. It's actually causing me to laugh out loud when I state nothing but facts and am being called a homer.

Scoring= Blake
Passing=Blake
Defense=Blake
Efficiency=Blake

The numbers back it up and not much needs to be said because it's not debatable. Okay so Zbo is "tougher" and rebounds more? Cool? He still doesn't score or assist like Blake. Isn't defending as well as Blake this year. Isn't as efficient. So make an argument if you guys have one, otherwords don't make intentionally stupid threads comparing players. What's more is Blake wasn't even healthy for the first 12+ games. Now that he is you're seeing a lot of 20/10/3 ish games in 30 minutes or less. Tonight Blake had 16 in the first quarter FFS. Dude was dropping post moves, swishing the 18 footer, fading from the post over defenders.

Easy there champ.

You act like it's not even debatable or something. Zbo is a superior offensive player imo. Better shooter and more refined post game. Blake is still sloppy as shit in the post while Zbo is one of the few big men today who can actually do work in the post on a consistent basis. Who would you rather give the ball to on a crucial possession? The answer is definitely Zbo.

Griffin is still not a great defender. Don't give me that synergy shit either. I looked up Thabo Sefolosha (the best perimeter defender in the league), and he's not even ranked in the top 150 for ****'s sake.

I'd also give efficiency to Zbo. He shoots a much higher FT% and he only shoots like 2% less than Griffin on FG's. Zbo is also relied on to create his own shot (more so than Griffin).
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:07 AM   #35
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You think the Clippers would be better with ZBO versus Blake?

Yes we all saw healthy Z-bo in the playoffs the year before. And we saw Blake sitting on the bench the whole 4th quarter of every single playoff game last year for Reggie Evans and Keynon Martin.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:09 AM   #36
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BTW Griffin is now the 36th ranked defender in the entire NBA per Synergy, Zach is the 109th. Zach hasn't been "bad" defensively this year but Blake is better Andre.
Synergy says Kobe is easily a better defender than Bledsoe and Lebron.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:10 AM   #37
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Again address how Blake is scoring more in less minutes/shot attempts, is racking up about 3 times the assists, is defending better, is more efficient? You have no argument at all because you prefer to play Devil's Advocate rather than actually watch and analyze basketball. Your dislike for me has blinded you to facts, reasoning and logic.

Keep using Synergy Sports instead of watching a game for arguments. If you really think Blake Griffin is a top defender than you must think Santa Clause is coming to your house in a couple weeks. You're lying to yourself just like you did when you said you had a GF you saw all the time and a 80 hour job when someone exposed you on your "police" question saying you have no gf or job. You have 26k posts in a year of delusion.

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Old 12-09-2012, 12:11 AM   #38
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Default Re: Does anyone honestly think Blake Griffin is playing better than ZBO this year?

And their efficiency is similar because of Zbos FT shooting. I trust going to him more late in games
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:12 AM   #39
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Easy there champ.

You act like it's not even debatable or something. Zbo is a superior offensive player imo. Better shooter and more refined post game. Blake is still sloppy as shit in the post while Zbo is one of the few big men today who can actually do work in the post on a consistent basis. Who would you rather give the ball to on a crucial possession? The answer is definitely Zbo.

Griffin is still not a great defender. Don't give me that synergy shit either. I looked up Thabo Sefolosha (the best perimeter defender in the league), and he's not even ranked in the top 150 for ****'s sake.

I'd also give efficiency to Zbo. He shoots a much higher FT% and he only shoots like 2% less than Griffin on FG's. Zbo is also relied on to create his own shot (more so than Griffin).

Even if you feel Blake isn't as good defensively as stats suggest, he's better than Zach and if you've watched Blake this year it would be clear. If you want shooting efficiency use both EFG% and TS% both in which Blake beats Zach. This accounts for FT percentage. Also this year at least Blake is shooting a much better percentage than Zach from midrange on 5 attempts a game.

Whether or not Zach's a prettier/more versatile post player doesn't mean dick. Bottom line is production+efficiency and Blake beats Zach on offense easily when you factor in both scoring and passing. The ONLY thing that makes this a debate for the most part is Zach's 4 rpg edge currently, although that gap is being closed as the season goes on.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:13 AM   #40
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Keep using Synergy Sports instead of watching a game for arguments. If you really think Blake Griffin is a top defender than you must think Santa Clause is coming to your house in a couple weeks. You're lying to yourself just like you did when you said you had a GF you saw all the time and a 80 hour job when someone exposed you on your "police" question saying you have no gf or job. You have 26k posts in a year of delusion.

Did you bother to check the date? That was from a year and a half ago when I DIDN'T have a job . Calm down there Sherlock Holmes. I watch plenty but since you guys don't listen to your eyes, why not show the stats backing up that claim?
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:13 AM   #41
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Even if you feel Blake isn't as good defensively as stats suggest, he's better than Zach and if you've watched Blake this year it would be clear. If you want shooting efficiency use both EFG% and TS% both in which Blake beats Zach. This accounts for FT percentage. Also this year at least Blake is shooting a much better percentage than Zach from midrange on 5 attempts a game.

Whether or not Zach's a prettier/more versatile post player doesn't mean dick. Bottom line is production+efficiency and Blake beats Zach on offense easily when you factor in both scoring and passing. The ONLY thing that makes this a debate for the most part is Zach's 4 rpg edge currently, although that gap is being closed as the season goes on.


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Old 12-09-2012, 12:17 AM   #42
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Zach Randolph is averaging 1.4 assists to Griffin's nearly 3.5. Blake's scoring more on less shots and 4 less minutes a game. Blake's also more efficient in all shooting metrics and has shot better than Zach from midrange this year. Not to mention he gets far more traps and double teams than Zach has ever seen in his entire career. I don't see a case for Zach on the offensive end or defensive end outside of maybe intangibles and rebounding.

If Zach is so much harder to stop on offense why don't teams double team him as much as they do Blake? Weird how that works...
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:21 AM   #43
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Zach Randolph is averaging 1.4 assists to Griffin's nearly 3.5. Blake's scoring more on less shots and 4 less minutes a game. Blake's also more efficient in all shooting metrics and has shot better than Zach from midrange this year. Not to mention he gets far more traps and double teams than Zach has ever seen in his entire career. I don't see a case for Zach on the offensive end or defensive end outside of maybe intangibles and rebounding.

If Zach is so much harder to stop on offense why don't teams double team him as much as they do Blake? Weird how that works...

Maybe because the Grizzlies have weapons all around him, Gasol (top 2 center), Conley (most underrated PG in the league), Rudy Gay (great scorer).

and Griffin has...CP3 who isn't even looking to score atm and uhh DJ? Butler? idk

Its easier to double when the other players aren't great scorers.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:24 AM   #44
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Maybe because the Grizzlies have weapons all around him, Gasol (top 2 center), Conley (most underrated PG in the league), Rudy Gay (great scorer).

and Griffin has...CP3 who isn't even looking to score atm and uhh DJ? Butler? idk

Its easier to double when the other players aren't great scorers.

Clippers have far more offensive weapons than the Grizzlies. Clippers are the 2nd ranked offense after today, Grizzlies the 8th and that's with the Clippers being pretty shorthanded. Odom is finally rounding into shape and Billups and Hill should both return next week. So that excuse doesn't fly. Grizzlies don't scare anybody on offense so that doesn't have dick to do with double teams.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:26 AM   #45
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Even if you feel Blake isn't as good defensively as stats suggest, he's better than Zach and if you've watched Blake this year it would be clear. If you want shooting efficiency use both EFG% and TS% both in which Blake beats Zach. This accounts for FT percentage. Also this year at least Blake is shooting a much better percentage than Zach from midrange on 5 attempts a game.

Whether or not Zach's a prettier/more versatile post player doesn't mean dick. Bottom line is production+efficiency and Blake beats Zach on offense easily when you factor in both scoring and passing. The ONLY thing that makes this a debate for the most part is Zach's 4 rpg edge currently, although that gap is being closed as the season goes on.

What makes Blake so vastly superior to Zbo defensively? Yeah, nothing. Lets be real, neither of them are anything to write home about in terms of defense, so it can't really be used as an argument for either one of them.

LOL at Griffin beating Zbo "easily" on offense. That's bullshit and you know it. Being a great post player with good fundamentals "doesn't mean dick"? Once again, that's complete crap. Zbo can actually close games out because of his skill and fundamentals. When has Griffin ever closed a game out?

Blake Griffin is a better passer and is obviously more athletic. I'll give just about everything else to Zbo. Defense is pretty much a wash, as neither of them are really anything special on that end of the court.
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