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Old 02-22-2012, 09:00 PM   #16
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

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You are acting like I never said opportunity was a part of his success. Of course it was. But you make it seem like all it is is that he got opportunity and is playing with Dantoni which is untrue. You saying Giudelock would have similar success to Lin is really why I am getting this impression from you.

I do think a player like Goudelock could do well in that system. I think the Lin thing is way over hyped. It's a good story, but I'm not going to put him on the superstar level that so many people already have, that's my point. That's why I say there's other guys who could have had similiar success.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:54 PM   #17
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

I agree with ihatetimthomas.

Opportunity is only part of any player's success. Smush Parker started in 164 games for the lakers, 2 full seasons in a row. He was by no means a starting caliber point guard. He had moments of success, but it wasn't the same as what Lin is doing.

Lin is a player that is very quick, and strong for a guard. He also has a high basketball IQ, all very important talents for D'Antoni's system.

Does this mean that if you take any point guard and give them opportunity in D'Antoni's system, that they will play well? Absolutely not. Not even remotely close.

With that idea being thrown around, we should throw Derek Fisher in D'Antoni's system and see what he can do. Probably nothing.

The problem is that most people are thinking the knicks saw something that other scouts didnt. Scouts all said that Lin had great potential and he had a huge line of teams following him, including the lakers.

Mike D'Antoni didn't throw him in there expecting success, but more of "I got nothing else to lose, other than my job, so lets gamble". It was a good gamble.

Back to the initial question, it is not a fair question to ask. Why can't Goudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin? I would sarcastically respond saying "Ask Goudelock". Players all have different talents, which are made for different systems. Thats the beauty of talent in the NBA. It is so diverse. Anyone's style of basketball can win if they executed to the best of their ability.

If everyone was as good as Jeremy Lin, then what would be amazing about Lin?
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:32 PM   #18
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

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I do think a player like Goudelock could do well in that system. I think the Lin thing is way over hyped. It's a good story, but I'm not going to put him on the superstar level that so many people already have, that's my point. That's why I say there's other guys who could have had similiar success.

Any good PG would do well in that system.....Goudelock wouldn't have more assists than Lin but he is a better shooter and would be a better scorer.
He would thrive in being able to run down court and take quick shots
with no worry.....and wouldn't be required to burn energy on defense.....not that I agree with that style at all, I don't think that style will ever win a championship. It goes against what most teams are doing...but it is a very player friendly system. One big thing overlooked is that they put heavy emphasis on shooting coaches....most guys shoot much better under his system.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:44 PM   #19
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Any good PG would do well in that system.....Goudelock wouldn't have more assists than Lin but he is a better shooter and would be a better scorer.
He would thrive in being able to run down court and take quick shots
with no worry.....and wouldn't be required to burn energy on defense.....not that I agree with that style at all, I don't think that style will ever win a championship. It goes against what most teams are doing...but it is a very player friendly system. One big thing overlooked is that they put heavy emphasis on shooting coaches....most guys shoot much better under his system.

The point guards that do well in Dantoni's system are guys who can get in the paint and guys who do not pick up their dribble. Lin is a solid ball handler and while his TO's are up, its due to the fact he handles the rock all the time. Goudelock doesn't nearly have the ball handling skills Lin has and quite frankly, he is not clearly a better scorer. Goudelock has a nice shot, has a nice floater, but by no means is he better than Lin at finishing and ball handling. What happened to Toney Douglas this season? He has all the opportunity in the world. He is a decent pg, decent scorer. But could never capitalize on the opportunity. Why? Because while this system is pg friendly, not every player can do it. I think its safe to say Goudelock would have better production in this system with these minutes, but its pretty bold to say almost any pg could have the same success as Lin has done and thats win games at a high level while getting the entire team involved.

I know you point is that a lot of pg's can play well in this system, but I cant at all agree with Goudelock having a similar impact.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:05 PM   #20
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

I don't think anybody said that any PG could have the same success. Again it's not like Lin doesn't have any talent. I don't think anybody is saying that. What I am saying is a player like Goudelock could have success in that system. Keep in mind too, Jeremy Lin is definitely a different player now than he was going into the draft. He's had more time to work on his game and transition it to the NBA. I'm sticking to what I've said all along though. Lin is being way over hyped. He's not even a top 10 (or probably 15) PG in the NBA. People are saying he should be MVP, play in the Olympics, be an all-star, etc, etc. He's not anywhere near that level. That's why I say a player could have that type of success in that system. It doesn't take a stud PG to do so. So like I said, while he does have talent.... it's just not that elite talent that people are trying to make it out to be.
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I don't think anybody said that any PG could have the same success. Again it's not like Lin doesn't have any talent. I don't think anybody is saying that. What I am saying is a player like Goudelock could have success in that system. Keep in mind too, Jeremy Lin is definitely a different player now than he was going into the draft. He's had more time to work on his game and transition it to the NBA. I'm sticking to what I've said all along though. Lin is being way over hyped. He's not even a top 10 (or probably 15) PG in the NBA. People are saying he should be MVP, play in the Olympics, be an all-star, etc, etc. He's not anywhere near that level. That's why I say a player could have that type of success in that system. It doesn't take a stud PG to do so. So like I said, while he does have talent.... it's just not that elite talent that people are trying to make it out to be.


I am not saying that you said any pg would have that type of success. And yes, I agree Goudelock would have some success in that system. I have never said he wouldnt. But he wouldnt have any where near the same as Lin. Thats the point I am making. Goudelock would do well in a Dantoni offense, along with many players, but he wouldnt be able to run the show like Lin has. So in the end, I dont think he would have similar success.

I really havnt read anywhere where people are saying he is MVP, olympian, all-star. etc. Yes, he has been very hyped. No where here have I tried to say he is any of those things. And no where have I said he is elite. I dont know what you are reading. Maybe the threads posted in the NBA forum bc obviously he has a ways to go before being elite.
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:12 AM   #22
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

At the end of the day, I think we all have similiar opinions on the subject... we just use different words to express them. It seems like we're all talking about the same thing in different ways. By the way, I never meant that anybody on the Lakers board thought Lin was a superstar. When I wrote that, I was talking about the media (ESPN and all that hype). If there's one thing I dislike about the media it's when they try to shove a new star down my throat.... and that goes for any sort of entertainment. For years those jerks have tried to sell me on Drew Berrymore..... she's not hot enough to be a lead and needs to be at least a #2 in every movie, yet Hollywood keeps trying to market to me that she's a #1. That's how I think of Jeremy Lin.... the media is trying to hype it up like he's the next Jordan. He's a solid role player on a team. Don't try to oversell me, please.
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

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At the end of the day, I think we all have similiar opinions on the subject... we just use different words to express them. It seems like we're all talking about the same thing in different ways. By the way, I never meant that anybody on the Lakers board thought Lin was a superstar. When I wrote that, I was talking about the media (ESPN and all that hype). If there's one thing I dislike about the media it's when they try to shove a new star down my throat.... and that goes for any sort of entertainment. For years those jerks have tried to sell me on Drew Berrymore..... she's not hot enough to be a lead and needs to be at least a #2 in every movie, yet Hollywood keeps trying to market to me that she's a #1. That's how I think of Jeremy Lin.... the media is trying to hype it up like he's the next Jordan. He's a solid role player on a team. Don't try to oversell me, please.

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And we just saw how he stacked up against the rest of the rookie/sophmore PG's....... I don't need to say anythiing else.....
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Default Re: Why can't AGoudelock be as good as Jeremy Lin?

Goudelock isn't a pure point btw.

He's not as good as Lin because he hasn't gotten as many opportunities. Lin pretty much had to step up when Baron was out and Toney Douglas was playing like crap.

Imagine a scenario when both Blake and Fisher get hurt....
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