Kobe VS Jordan at age 34

[Bandito]

Averaged 40/8/6 on 50% in the finals while injured. Got it.

Of course he did, didn't you see him wobbling while dunking on everybody in that finals?

[9erempiree]

I find it funny that people like to bring up stats but when they are in Kobe's favor they ignore it.

I really don't care....people know how I feel. Put their names in a hat and pick a name, whomever comes up is GOAT.

That's how similar these guys are.

[Money 23]

I really don't care....people know how I feel. Put their names in a hat and pick a name, whomever comes up is GOAT.

No.

Kobe never had a Finals like MJ's first three peat, and never will. Never matched the sheer playoff dominance or all around game of Jordan's from 1990 - 1993.

[SCdac]

Put their names in a hat and pick a name, whomever comes up is GOAT.

... said nobody ever

[caliman]

MJ was by far and away better. A true leader who inspired his teammates play, and didn't throw resident role players under the buss claiming they don't play defense.

Revisionist bullsh*t. Go look up some quotes from Phil Jackson, Ron Harper and some of the other player. The real "leader" of that team had the initials SP. MJ was the same type of "leader" as Kobe. He led by rebuke, by demands, by belittling. Get outta here with that "MJ was a great leader" crap.

[TheBigVeto]

MJ didn't recruit a couple great players then alienate them by going to the local media he has in his pocket and calling it "my team"

MJ didn't throw his sidekick Scottie Pippen, a man who like Pau Gasol helped him win rings by saying "he needs to put his big boy pants on" instead MJ pumped him up. Told the media he wouldn't be where he was without Pippen, and that he was an MVP caliber player (even if he wasn't)

MJ was leading the best team in the league, Kobe's leading the Lakers to a #8 seed at best, yet with a MUCH more talented roster surrounding him.

MJ (34) > Kobe (34)

This.

[Round Mound]

Too bad Kobe has played 114 more games than Jordan is still not even close to him in any statistical category.

Jordan = 1072 career games
Kobe = 1186 games

MJ = 30.1 PPG, .497 FG%, 893 blocks, 2514 steals, 5633 assists, 6,672 rebounds, 32,292 points.

KB = 25.5 PPG, .454 FG%, 599 blocks, 1762 steals, 5542 assists, 6,272 rebounds, 30,222 points.

6 rings / 6 FMVP, 10 scoring titles (vs 2), 5 MVP's (vs 1), DPOY, Collegiate national champion, 4 gold medals.

All done without a dominant big man either.

MJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe.

Lets see if Kobe actually Averages 32.4 PPG (46.2% FG), 5.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 2.1 TOVs and 2.2 PFs PG at age 35 In the Play-Offs? Wait are the Lakers Going to Make the Play-Offs?

Will Kobe Take the Last Second Shot and Seal Victory For His Team In The NBA Finals?

MJ Did this Without a Dominant Big: Shaq, Gasol, Bynum or Howard.

[Lebron23]

Give me Jordan. Finals MVP, Regular Season MVP and NBA Scoring Champion.

[aau]

No.

Kobe never had a Finals like MJ's first three peat, and never will. Never matched the sheer playoff dominance or all around game of Jordan's from 1990 - 1993.

this is interesting . . . just curious (using all 6 titles)

does kobe get to play in the 90s

does he get to play with

pippen , grant/rodman , kukoc , bja , paxson and serviceable bigs

does he get to play against all-stars like john starks 3 times
craig ehlo twice , jeff hornacek twice , 33 yo danny ainge
hersey hawkins , nick anderson , voshon lenard
steve smith and the great david wesley
- all without championship centers

if so , then yea . . . . he'd dominate much the same

[OldSchoolBBall]

this is interesting . . . just curious (using all 6 titles)

does kobe get to play in the 90s

does he get to play with

pippen , grant/rodman , kukoc , bja , paxson and serviceable bigs

does he get to play against all-stars like john starks 3 times
craig ehlo twice , jeff hornacek twice , 33 yo danny ainge
hersey hawkins , nick anderson , voshon lenard
steve smith and the great david wesley
- all without championship centers

if so , then yea . . . . he'd dominate much the same

Kobe played older, past prime versions of many of the same players Jordan torched in the 90's from '00-'03 in the playoffs and despite that and even with Shaq commanding defensive attention, Kobe still didn't dominate nearly as much as Jordan did. GTFOH with this nonsense.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Kobe played older, past prime versions of many of the same players Jordan torched in the 90's from '00-'03 in the playoffs and despite that and even with Shaq commanding defensive attention, Kobe still didn't dominate nearly as much as Jordan did. GTFOH with this nonsense.

This. Plus isn't 1996-1999 "the 90's"?

[aau]

Kobe played older, past prime versions of many of the same players Jordan torched in the 90's from '00-'03 in the playoffs and despite that and even with Shaq commanding defensive attention, Kobe still didn't dominate nearly as much as Jordan did. GTFOH with this nonsense.

wow

clueless as usual

do jordan fans know anything about the
league other than michael jordan

these guys are washed up

postseason avgs or mpg

2000 - reggie miller 24 - pippen 15 - penny 20 - peja 10
2001 - allen iverson 33 - daniels 13 - peja 21 - pippen 39mpg
2002 - kittles/jefferson - peja 14 - bowen 34mpg - bonzi 16

2009 - pietrus - jr smith - artest/battier - kirilenko
2010 - ray allen 16p 38mpg - j-rich 20 - wes matt - durant/wbrook

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you're saying that these 2 lists are comparable

sit down and stfu

[ZaaaaaH]

Kobe is playing fantastic basketball but there are a few things that aren't so fantastic along with it.

1. Turnovers - Kobe has been constantly turning the ball over left and right. This has been happening a lot during his drives to the basket. Perhaps due to lack of athleticism and protection. Maybe its just me but I feel like he's been stripped more this season (and this early in a season, at that) than any portion of his career. He never used to get cookie'd as much as he has been of late. Perhaps this because of his increased ball-handling duties which is way to much for him. This part of his game will probably improve with the return of Steve Nash. Jordan barely had Pippen that season ('98) and turned the ball over much less.

2. Defense - Kobe had begun sagging off of D since around 09, but would occasionally lock in when he needed to. These days he has been extremely soft when it comes to defense. He's contesting less these days, locking in less and less, and just doesn't seem focused. He tries to roam on defense like he used to earlier in his career but he's too slow returning to his man and gets burned so much. Jordan was still a solid defender at 34.


These two things are big differentials between him and Jordan at age 34. In terms of scoring, Kobe was just as good, if not better. In terms of the other intangibles of the game, I would give it to Jordan. Jordan was the better player at 34, albeit slightly. Kobe still has a whole lot of season left for us to judge. He could surprise or he could disappoint. And besides team success, he's been surprising time and time again.

I like the part where u point out only Kobes negatives.

Nice avy by the way

[ZaaaaaH]

Both are Top notch at age 34 and playing at the Highest Level for long time.

Funny how Kobe haters dont mention MJ has been with the similar roster for longer time with Phil as their coach.

Biased when it comes to Kobe is amazing here.

[ZaaaaaH]

Lets see if Kobe actually Averages 32.4 PPG (46.2% FG), 5.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 2.1 TOVs and 2.2 PFs PG at age 35 In the Play-Offs? Wait are the Lakers Going to Make the Play-Offs?

Will Kobe Take the Last Second Shot and Seal Victory For His Team In The NBA Finals?

MJ Did this Without a Dominant Big: Shaq, Gasol, Bynum or Howard.

Gasol Bynum are Dominant now ???

Wtf is wrong with u ppl.