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Old 12-05-2019, 12:49 AM   #1
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Default Luka, Harden, Beal

Steven A and Max both talked about how harden could average 50 and still not be as good as scorer as durant,jordan. both said his scoring is “thirsty” and forced.

Can we just get rid of Harden altogether? 50 point game on 28% jesus,no wonder averaging 40 isn’t being treated as a big deal by him .

If Luka averages 30/10/10 the rest of the season is it better than all of dirks regular seasons ? is he already better than prime dirk?prime dirk proved himself in the playoffs i know but theres no reason to think luka isnt gonna do the same if not better

Tell me where you rank Beal right now ,is he in your top 10? i havent seen him play,curious
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:51 AM   #2
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Old 12-05-2019, 01:41 AM   #3
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Old 12-05-2019, 04:43 AM   #4
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The stats are absolutely inflated.

This season we already have more 150+ point regulation games (5) than from 99/00 to 18/19 combined (4)
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Old 12-05-2019, 04:59 AM   #5
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he can't keep getting away with this
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:12 AM   #6
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Another reason that makes Lebron so great


He's been consistently killing it across multiple eras since 2003
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:46 AM   #7
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I think it's a given that stats are easier to get these days. And while not a big fan of harden but he is playing to the rules so good on him. It's the same as the wilt talk. Why is no one else doing what he does .
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:53 AM   #8
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For me, James Harden has to get it done in the playoffs.

And it's weird. Like KD is a better scorer in terms of he has more moves and is more efficient than James Harden. And I think that's why KD performs better than Harden in the playoffs. But James Harden is a better scorer in terms of just getting you the ppg in the regular season. His stats may have been inflated with Mike D'antoni coaching or of course the rules of this era, but that's a given. He is still one of the best scorers the league has ever seen, but not the best ever nor is he the best in this era imo.

Luka seems great, but we gotta see what he could do as well in the playoffs.
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Old 12-05-2019, 05:56 AM   #9
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For me, James Harden has to get it done in the playoffs.

And it's weird. Like KD is a better scorer in terms of he has more moves and is more efficient than James Harden. And I think that's why KD performs better than Harden in the playoffs. But James Harden is a better scorer in terms of just getting you the ppg in the regular season. His stats may have been inflated with Mike D'antoni coaching or of course the rules of this era, but that's a given. He is still one of the best scorers the league has ever seen, but not the best ever nor is he the best in this era imo.

Luka seems great, but we gotta see what he could do as well in the playoffs.

I agree with most but who is a better scorer in this era in your imo
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Old 12-05-2019, 06:09 AM   #10
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For me, James Harden has to get it done in the playoffs.

And it's weird. Like KD is a better scorer in terms of he has more moves and is more efficient than James Harden. And I think that's why KD performs better than Harden in the playoffs. But James Harden is a better scorer in terms of just getting you the ppg in the regular season. His stats may have been inflated with Mike D'antoni coaching or of course the rules of this era, but that's a given. He is still one of the best scorers the league has ever seen, but not the best ever nor is he the best in this era imo.

Luka seems great, but we gotta see what he could do as well in the playoffs.

Kd had playoff issues pre gs and it was obvious defenses gameplanned more for curry in the playoffs. His reliance on his jumpshot isn’t ideal.

harden meanwhile has always been the defenses focus. If a team does switch against him, they’re packing the paint and letting a role player take a 3. Tbf hardens even more reliant on his stepback along with fts but you can argue he’s been on the bad side of variance(has a lot bigger effect than fts). Had some end of game gaffes but was quite good last year.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:31 AM   #11
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Another reason that makes Lebron so great


He's been consistently killing it across multiple eras since 2003

Unfortunately in the finals he consistently GOT killed
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:21 AM   #12
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It will always be difficult to compare Dirk to Luka.

One of Dirks greatest contribution to his teams was that by being such a tall and deadly shooter from outside, he warped defenses by pulling bigs out from under the basket. He provided spacing which guys like Jason Terry, JJ Barea etc used. That spacing didn't show up in the stat sheet, though, which is one of the reasons why Dirk was underrated for a big part of his career.

Today's game is much different, and Luka's contributions translate better into stats, so he will always look better on paper than Dirk.

Nevertheless, judging by how his play translates to winning, if he can keep this it up, Luka seems to already be at the level of Dirk's better years, as far as regular season play is concerned.

Playoff play can't be compared until we have seen enough samples of playoff Luka, which we haven't.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:00 AM   #13
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Steven A and Max both talked about how harden could average 50 and still not be as good as scorer as durant,jordan. both said his scoring is “thirsty” and forced.

Can we just get rid of Harden altogether? 50 point game on 28% jesus,no wonder averaging 40 isn’t being treated as a big deal by him .

If Luka averages 30/10/10 the rest of the season is it better than all of dirks regular seasons ? is he already better than prime dirk?prime dirk proved himself in the playoffs i know but theres no reason to think luka isnt gonna do the same if not better

Tell me where you rank Beal right now ,is he in your top 10? i havent seen him play,curious

I was never a big fan of Harden, he took a ton of shots and there are games where his shot just isn't fallin - you can'т try 20 trees when you just can't hit them, try your teamates involved, try different paths. Harden is over confident and a lot of times forced his shots/step backs. Example: Yesterday Luka's shot was not falling but he continue attack the rim and feeding his teamates, it was not like he did not make mistakes, at least he did not try 20 shots beyond the arc. The best chance for Rockets for a tittle were when CP was with the team, and esspecially in the year, where they were up against Warriors and CP got injured. CP game is far more refined than Westbrook, who is low efficient scorrer and doesn't have the basketball IQ of CP. Withe the Rockets playing this way even if Harden averages 50 theye are doomed in the postseason (where he can't replicate his regular season exploits). Right now Luka is better than Harden as a team player (in fact Luka is Top 3 player right now - for me they are both Giannis and him).
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:53 AM   #14
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You'd think Beal would be a top 10 player with him averaging 28.7 ppg and 7.1 apg on 58.5%TS, those are prime Lebron numbers.

However, you look at Trae Young putting up 28.7/8.4 and Luka putting up 30.3/9.2 and you quickly realize that these numbers aren't so special, especially with Beal doing it on a losing team. I think the Wizards are just trying to play at ridiculously high pace to hopefully bait some teams into trading for their young "assets" because their numbers are impressive and they do have a top 5 ORTG right now, despite being among the worst teams in the league.

Harden's numbers are vastly overrated, he'll end up averaging 35+ ppg on 60%-ish TS but half his games will be 40 points on 30% shooting and he'll likely flame out in the Playoffs yet again with horrible shooting in crucial games.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:32 AM   #15
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You'd think Beal would be a top 10 player with him averaging 28.7 ppg and 7.1 apg on 58.5%TS, those are prime Lebron numbers.

However, you look at Trae Young putting up 28.7/8.4 and Luka putting up 30.3/9.2 and you quickly realize that these numbers aren't so special, especially with Beal doing it on a losing team. I think the Wizards are just trying to play at ridiculously high pace to hopefully bait some teams into trading for their young "assets" because their numbers are impressive and they do have a top 5 ORTG right now, despite being among the worst teams in the league.

Harden's numbers are vastly overrated, he'll end up averaging 35+ ppg on 60%-ish TS but half his games will be 40 points on 30% shooting and he'll likely flame out in the Playoffs yet again with horrible shooting in crucial games.

Ortg is a measure of efficiency though, so pace doesn't factor into it. The Wizards actually have an elite offense. The problem is, we got that offense by playing really undersized at pretty much every position. The defense is horrible because with IT on the court we play a zone, without a lot of guys who cover tons of space on D.

Beal is probably top-10 right now, with Durant/Curry/Klay all out.
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