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Old 06-17-2008, 02:40 AM   #61
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I would take KG and Duncan (if you consider him a PF, not a center) over Amare anyday. There are two sides on a basketball court. I would also take Dirk over Amare because he has the long range game and he's a better rebounder. I think Amare still could be the best PF in the league, he just has to improve his weaknesses.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:45 AM   #62
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As has been said, both of them far outshine Amare in terms of rebounding and defense. That being said, while I admit Amare right now is a better offensive weapon than TD/KG... the gap is not that huge. Duncan and KG can still consistently drop 20 on you and create lots of opportunities on offense either trough passing or just with their presence. The gap on defense, however, IS wide. Amare is not in the same league as these two on D.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:54 AM   #63
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Amares problem was that he looked terrible on defense against any average center in the leauge. Look at Amare before and after the Shaq experiment though... points, assists and steals all increased because he was allowed to play his natural pf position. He has the speed to play decent defense, but chances are he just likes blocks and not good team defensive plays and this makes him look bad. Agreed though, its no contest.Timmy is easily better all around and KG is way better defensively then to merit the Best PF award to Stoudemire.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:22 AM   #64
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i remember earlier in the season when bynum kept owning amare with common fundamental moves...and blocking like 5 of his shots
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:42 AM   #65
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If Amare were the best PF then the Pheonix Suns would have won at least 2 championships by now.

The fact is that Amare doesn't impact the game on both ends like Duncan or KG. His defense and rebounding aren't on par with those at the top.

And while he is consistently better at offense, if I were to choose which forward I wanted to take in a Game 7, I still think both KG and Duncan can have more of an impact offensively for one game as well if you make them your go to option a la game one of the Suns-Spurs series this year. They're both proven "gamers."
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:20 AM   #66
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Old 06-17-2008, 06:22 AM   #67
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well to be fair kg has a big advantage over amare in experience, 13 years to 5, so we cant really expect them to be on the same level right now, like i said im not saying amare is better i would just prefer to have him on my team. i think amare gets alotta flak for his defense and rebounding but he has been overpowered by bigger opponents his entire career and you got players like yao ming who's rebs are very close to amare's.playing for D'antoni hasnt helped him develope defensively, hopefully he will work on that and get better, and playing against pf's instead of centers is a plus.when you look at amare's career stats so far i think he stacks up well against any other c/pf.

21 pts...9 rebs
playoffs career stats
25 pts...10 rebs

kg career stats
20 pts..11 rebs / playoffs 21pts..12 rebs

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21 pts...11 rebs / playoffs 20pts...11 rebs

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19pts...9 rebs /playoffs 21 pts...8rebs

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22 pts...9 rebs/playoffs 25 pts...11 rebs
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:29 AM   #68
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He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
Yah, I agree. Being better isn't about leading your team or winning. It's about who can dunk better.

Spurs 4 Championships > Amare 1.7 HS GPA
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:32 AM   #69
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He is 3rd after Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:26 PM   #70
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Dwight is considered a PF also. When Battie is healthy, Dwight moves to the PF spot. I dont know who I would rather have, both are amazing and still young. Amare bounced back form the injury, so you cant really use that as a determinate for picking form thsoe 2
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:09 PM   #71
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There are only 4 upper echelon elite big men right now in the league.
A pure back to the basket game is almost non existent in the league now so I class PF/C together.
1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dwight Howard
4. Amare Stoudemire
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:47 AM   #72
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D12 is not better than Amare. No way man, not yet. Amare is unarguable one of the top big men in this league, but not the best. I'll put him in #3, seems about right, any lower and you need a reality check. One thing Amare has over kg and duncan is offense, Amare is like a beast, when unleashed he will go wild. For those of you comparing KG and Duncan to Amare in terms of titles, thats all BS. If you put Duncan or KG in the same spot as Amare, I guarantee you that Suns woulds till be title-less. It takes more than a bigman to win a title, Greg is a much better coach then D'antoni, and Spurs have a much deeper and better bench than the Suns, they have elite defenders, etc. You have to give Amare props, he's 6'10, and he played C for a while, going up against much bigger players than him.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:03 AM   #73
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He is now already better than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, if u don't think so, u are ignorant
lol noob. i love stoudamire but get back to me when he even learns to play D. Duncan and Garnett are 2 of the greatest defensive players in the history of the NBA without even mentioning their offensive skills. Amare has a LONG way to go to get to their level
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:11 AM   #74
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4 1/2 years later KG and Duncan are still better than Amare.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:14 AM   #75
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