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Old 11-09-2018, 08:47 PM   #31
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There will be nights that he goes cold. point is he can still score if you use him well

I think it's not about using him well any more. Melo can score... IF his shot happens to fall. Which doesn't happen too often these days. This is like his 3rd team his shot is not falling. Noone knew how to use him? Not as a starter and not as a backup?

Melo had a decent career but he clearly is at the end. And I have a feeling Chris Paul will get there too in a year or two.
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Old 11-10-2018, 11:10 PM   #32
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While Carmelo Anthony is absent with an illness tonight against the Spurs, the Rockets and Anthony are discussing his role and how they might still be able to proceed together for the rest of the season, league sources tell ESPN. Talks are fluid.

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Old 11-10-2018, 11:13 PM   #33
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Scout I talked to last night: "On its face, that move made no sense for the Rockets. He doesn't fit anything they do. He can't defend and loves taking midrange jumpers. That was a step in the wrong direction."

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Old 11-11-2018, 07:50 AM   #34
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Hes gonna be more inconsistent as he gets older. He lives and dies by his shot. sometimes hes cold.. need to involve him from the beginning and play him with Harden/CP so that he gets a couple of good shots to get it going...
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:04 AM   #35
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Just to clarify. I cant argue with the fact that hes declined heavily. Hes far from what he used to be, he has very little lift and hes a dinosaur in terms of offensive style. Im just saying he can still be good in spurts, he showed it this season too. But, maybe its not worth creating the conditions for him to be better since it takes too much resources with little benefit
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:10 AM   #36
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Just to clarify. I cant argue with the fact that hes declined heavily. Hes far from what he used to be, he has very little lift and hes a dinosaur in terms of offensive style. Im just saying he can still be good in spurts, he showed it this season too. But, maybe its not worth creating the conditions for him to be better since it takes too much resources with little benefit

Another way to say this is that he's not good.

Think about what you are saying.

I'm assuming you'll admit he's a very poor defender...as he's legit hunted when possible by other teams consistently.

So he's a negative defender for sure.

And then his offense is overall "a dinosaur in terms of style" and "only good in spurts"...

Again, that is a description of a bad player.
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:35 AM   #37
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He's not a negative player for Houston if he plays with the 2nd unit. He comes in and gives you 2-3 quick threes while either CP or James Harden is resting? That's all they need from him come Playoff time, anything further is just harming the team, though obviously he'll get hot some games.
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Old 11-11-2018, 09:43 AM   #38
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Another way to say this is that he's not good.

Think about what you are saying.

I'm assuming you'll admit he's a very poor defender...as he's legit hunted when possible by other teams consistently.

So he's a negative defender for sure.

And then his offense is overall "a dinosaur in terms of style" and "only good in spurts"...

Again, that is a description of a bad player.
I agree about defense. But youre making it very black & white on offense.

A bad player is not capable of shooting his lights out on any given night. A bad player doesn't have the post moves or body strength or one on one ability Melo does. The ability to create your own bucket when the offense stagnates is a major advantage in this league, very few can do it.

We had this conversation before about Rose. Youre a stranger to nuances. for you Rose went from MVP to scrub. This doesnt happen (as proven recently). You go from great to merely 'good'. Same thing happened to Melo.

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Old 11-11-2018, 09:49 AM   #39
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He's not a negative player for Houston if he plays with the 2nd unit. He comes in and gives you 2-3 quick threes while either CP or James Harden is resting? That's all they need from him come Playoff time, anything further is just harming the team, though obviously he'll get hot some games.
No but this is the Melo paradox. He can only be good if hes playing within the flow of the game, meaning swallowing possessions. But in that case its at the detriment of others, and its not even guaranteed every game.

Try to just plug Melo in and expect him to go automatic, pretty much every decent three point shooter in the league would be better
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I agree about defense. But youre making it very black & white on offense.

A bad player is not capable of shooting his lights out on any given night. A bad player doesn't have the post moves or body strength or one on one ability Melo does. The ability to create your own bucket when the offense stagnates is a major advantage in this league, very few can do it.

We had this conversation before about Rose. Youre a stranger to nuances. for you Rose went from MVP to scrub. This doesnt happen (as proven recently). You go from great to merely 'good'. Same thing happened to Melo.

Actually, talk to most people in the basketball world and they'll tell you that is exactly the difference between good, average, and bad players...consistency.

Again, you concede he's a terrible defender. Objectively, he's an inefficient and inconsistent offensive player that doesn't make his teammates better.

Why can't you just admit that is a bad NBA player?


Rose was a great player...then he got injured and was an objectively bad player for years. He was not good. So far this year he's playing really well.

There is nothing wrong with that statement about Rose above. It actually tracks reality. What you are doing is applying some weird notion of internal ability that once a guy plays great...he should forever be known as a great basketball player regardless of what is happening on the court.

That just isn't true.
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Old 11-11-2018, 12:27 PM   #41
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No but this is the Melo paradox. He can only be good if hes playing within the flow of the game, meaning swallowing possessions. But in that case its at the detriment of others, and its not even guaranteed every game.

Try to just plug Melo in and expect him to go automatic, pretty much every decent three point shooter in the league would be better


He isn't good in that situation because he's not a good enough player to warrant him swallowing possessions....as you point out.

Just admit he isn't good anymore.

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Old 11-11-2018, 02:40 PM   #42
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So Rose went from great, to shit, to great again? It doesn't work that way. In a vacuum, a player is either good or bad. Whether he is performing good or bad more or less consistent, depends on other factors. Same with Melo to a lesser extent (because hes simply old at this point)
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So Rose went from great, to shit, to great again? It doesn't work that way. In a vacuum, a player is either good or bad. Whether he is performing good or bad more or less consistent, depends on other factors. Same with Melo to a lesser extent (because hes simply old at this point)

It does work that way.

I don't know what else to tell you. Rose was great in 2011 and early on his career...and then post 13 has been nothing of note as a player.

And the same stats you'll reference as to why he's been good so far this year...work directly against you for those years.

Also, Rose hasn't done enough this year to be called great. Your standards are a bit off when it comes to both Melo and Rose. 10 game samples don't mean much.
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:56 PM   #45
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What a massive thread backfire.

Not surprising considering OP is also a fan of another one dimensional player in Rose.
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