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Old 01-09-2019, 03:36 PM   #16
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This is a gambit designed to undermine the argument that she and Russian officials have made that he has little to no ties to the Russian government.

It feels like so much has happened this week, and it's only Wednesday.
who is even arguing that? OBVIOUSLY the Russians were trying to use her to weasel her way into the Trump campaign. She’s clearly a spy of some sort.

Nobody denies that the Russians tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:43 PM   #17
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A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.
Wow. Just, wow.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:53 PM   #18
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who is even arguing that? OBVIOUSLY the Russians were trying to use her to weasel her way into the Trump campaign. She’s clearly a spy of some sort.

Nobody denies that the Russians tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

She, the Russians, and a significant portion of conservative media have argued that she was simply a personal lawyer acting independantly and with a strong desire to see Russian children placed with loving, wholesome American families... compleltely unrelated to the Magnitsky act, of course. We've even had posters here who have claimed that Trump people didn't meet with government-connected Russians.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:22 PM   #19
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She, the Russians, and a significant portion of conservative media have argued that she was simply a personal lawyer acting independantly and with a strong desire to see Russian children placed with loving, wholesome American families... compleltely unrelated to the Magnitsky act, of course. We've even had posters here who have claimed that Trump people didn't meet with government-connected Russians.
What does that mean? ‘Government connected’? Anderson Cooper is ‘government connected’.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:33 PM   #20
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Wow. Just, wow.

Are Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov close to the Kremlin?
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:16 PM   #21
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Are Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov close to the Kremlin?
I have no idea. Never heard of them. They’re Manafort’s longtime business associates apparently.

The dude is a political consultant. It’s not exactly a scandal that he showed political polls to his business associates. Certainly a big difference between that and giving them to some Russian oligarch.

How do the media CONSTANTLY keep making these giant mistakes? And why do ALL of their mistakes go in the “THIS PROVES COLLUSION!” direction?

CLEARLY what we’re seeing is confirmation bias in the media. They WANT collusion to be true so badly that they’re sloppy and willing to believe ANYTHING that goes in that direction.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:23 PM   #22
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Are Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov close to the Kremlin?

These dudes have Russian mob ties aka Putin.

They're also suspected of financing to overthrow and hack elections.
Hmmmm

This is as damning as if it was originally reported.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:35 PM   #23
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Are Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov close to the Kremlin?

those were the dudes whose $ paulie was on trial for laundering. they were/are allied with viktor yanukovych, who was putin's puppet in the ukraine. don't know why 6ix thinks that mitigates the obvious collusion scheme here.

but back to deripaska...

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NEW: House Democrats, flexing their oversight muscles, call STEVE MNUCHIN to the Hill tomorrow for questioning about @USTreasury's decision to lift sanctions on OLEG DERIPASKA's companies. The briefing will be classified/closed press.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/09/u...s-removal.html

Dems Move to Block Trump From Lifting Sanctions on Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska

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Old 01-09-2019, 08:50 PM   #24
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the mystery foreign state-owned company that just got boofed by the supreme court yesterday has to pay $50k per day for everyday they don't comply with mueller's grand jury subpoena.



the jeff bezos owned dishonest washington post called the company a 'financial institution'

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The entity that is the subject of the cloaked legal battle — known in court papers simply as a “Corporation” from “Country A” — is a foreign financial institution that was issued a subpoena by a grand jury hearing evidence in the special counsel investigation, according to two people familiar with the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...3a 7fe49a0a2f

i'm sticking with it being vtb.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:09 PM   #25
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the mystery foreign state-owned company that just got boofed by the supreme court yesterday has to pay $50k per day for everyday they don't comply with mueller's grand jury subpoena.



the jeff bezos owned dishonest washington post called the company a 'financial institution'



i'm sticking with it being vtb.
Any chance it's Deutsche bank?
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Any chance it's Deutsche bank?

deutsche isn't state owned and they complied with mueller's subpoenas from dec. 2017 as far as i know. and there's always the raids for what they didn't get willingly.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:16 AM   #27
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the great battle of our time is coming.

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The White House has hired 17 new lawyers as Trump’s team gears up for the coming onslaught of investigations.

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A beefed-up White House legal team is gearing up to prevent President Trump’s confidential discussions with top advisers from being disclosed to House Democratic investigators and revealed in the special counsel’s long-awaited report, setting the stage for a potential clash between the branches of government.

The strategy to strongly assert the president’s executive privilege on both fronts is being developed under newly arrived White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, who has hired 17 lawyers in recent weeks to help in the effort.

He is coordinating with White House lawyer Emmet Flood, who is leading the response to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report on his now-20-month-long investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. Flood is based in White House Counsel’s Office but reports directly to Trump.

Trump aides say White House lawyers are focused on preserving a legal protection routinely invoked by presidents of both parties.

But any effort to fight investigators is likely to further inflame Trump’s relationship with Democratic leaders and could lock the administration and Congress in protracted legal standoffs that may ultimately go to the Supreme Court.

Of particular concern to Democrats: whether the White House will seek to use executive privilege to keep private any portions of Mueller’s report that addresses alleged obstruction of justice by the president.

-the jeff bezos owned dishonest washington post

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Old 01-10-2019, 01:33 PM   #28
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What does that mean? ‘Government connected’? Anderson Cooper is ‘government connected’.

People who work/worked in government, work/worked for or with others in government, or work/worked in a capacity that intersected with government work...

But let's not get too off-topic. The fact that she has ties to the Russian government is supposedly new information to a lot of people who previously argued that people in the Trump campaign had no dealings with individuals connected to the Russian government.
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People who work/worked in government, work/worked for or with others in government, or work/worked in a capacity that intersected with government work...

But let's not get too off-topic. The fact that she has ties to the Russian government is supposedly new information to a lot of people who previously argued that people in the Trump campaign had no dealings with individuals connected to the Russian government.
You’re mixing two together. Nobody denies that Russian government officials tried to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Spies try to get close to people and those people have no idea that they are spies. That’s the whole idea. If they knowingly were in contact with spies and making shady deals, that’s one thing. This woman presented herself as, I believe, a real estate lawyer. She didn’t openly declare that she’s a Russian spy.

First of all, I don’t care if they had contact with a thousand Russian officials. That in itself doesn’t matter. Trump had dealings with the Mexican government, including the Mexican president during the campaign. I believe he had contacts with the Israeli government and probably many other countries.

Stop trying to pretend that ‘contact’ in itself is a problem. It’s not. If something illegal happened, it’s a problem. If it didn’t, it’s fine.

You can’t just keep guessing that maybe there was a deal between Trump and Russia to release stolen emails. Obama directly had contact with Putin during the 2016 election. I can also just guess that Obama told Putin to do it. But at some point, you have to have actual evidence or you’re just pushing stupid conspiracy theories.
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Gee, I wonder if the government will open first or if Mueller's report come out first & lil Donny gets carried out of the office by SS agents??

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