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Old 07-22-2019, 01:19 AM   #1
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Default Pacquiao's W over Thurman or Mayweather's W over Canelo

whose win is much better?
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:38 AM   #2
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Default Re: Pacquiao's W over Thurman or Mayweather's W over Canelo

really ? how do they even compare .. canelo wasn't supposed to beat fw anyways
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:04 AM   #3
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really ? how do they even compare .. canelo wasn't supposed to beat fw anyways

both undefeated fighters lost their 0

and a 40 yr old past prime wasn't supposed to beat a prime 30 yr old welter champ either
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Old 07-22-2019, 04:33 AM   #4
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both undefeated fighters lost their 0

and a 40 yr old past prime wasn't supposed to beat a prime 30 yr old welter champ either

Both fighters struggled though on their previous fights. Thurman came from a long layoff and Josesito almost took him out. Canelo cant get past Trout job and he was gassing by middle rounds until Trout have to go all in after a wide score in championship rounds.

Canelo is at different level right now. The green version was having trouble with Trout of the world and was almost KO by Cotto lil brother. Now heís taking shots from hard punching middleweights and looks more polished as a boxer. So in a sense , youíre talking about 2 different fighters.

Hard to say if Thurman can still make his presence felt . He had the best resume at that division edging out both Porter and Garcia but few will argue if heís really the top dog after ducking Spence for awhile now but heís closer to his prime.

Itís rare for fighter to beat top fighters past 40 which is quite legendary. While there are few who can school young lions past their prime. Not quite legendary but still remarkable . Only ATGs can do this at elite level though.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:01 AM   #5
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Both were expected to win. Personally I saw Floyd's win as better because:

- More dominant win
- Canelo was the bigger guy
- I saw Canelo as a very decent threat at the time
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:06 AM   #6
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Default Re: Pacquiao's W over Thurman or Mayweather's W over Canelo

Boxing is garbage, just watch mixed martial arts. Superior sport with less corruption.
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Old 07-22-2019, 05:21 AM   #7
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Boxing is garbage, just watch mixed martial arts. Superior sport with less corruption.
Both are good, we can watch both.

Bad things about pro boxing is that sometimes the judges are questionable.
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Old 07-22-2019, 06:51 AM   #8
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Both fighters struggled though on their previous fights. Thurman came from a long layoff and Josesito almost took him out. Canelo cant get past Trout job and he was gassing by middle rounds until Trout have to go all in after a wide score in championship rounds.

Canelo is at different level right now. The green version was having trouble with Trout of the world and was almost KO by Cotto lil brother. Now heís taking shots from hard punching middleweights and looks more polished as a boxer. So in a sense , youíre talking about 2 different fighters.

Hard to say if Thurman can still make his presence felt . He had the best resume at that division edging out both Porter and Garcia but few will argue if heís really the top dog after ducking Spence for awhile now but heís closer to his prime.

Itís rare for fighter to beat top fighters past 40 which is quite legendary. While there are few who can school young lions past their prime. Not quite legendary but still remarkable . Only ATGs can do this at elite level though.

solid post

Canelo was a bit weight drained that time & too green for Floyd

you mean Matthew Hatton, not Cotto's brother
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Old 07-22-2019, 06:53 AM   #9
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Both were expected to win. Personally I saw Floyd's win as better because:

- More dominant win
- Canelo was the bigger guy
- I saw Canelo as a very decent threat at the time

Canelo was too green for Floyd. Also Canelo was a bit weight drained & that was a catchweight fight
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:50 AM   #10
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Canelo is so much better than Thurman.

Not close. As in, not a discussion.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:24 PM   #11
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Canelo was too green for Floyd. Also Canelo was a bit weight drained & that was a catchweight fight
yes. points still stands.
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:32 PM   #12
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The "green version" of Canelo had already 43 fights and multiple belts on his resume. He's had just 12 fights since then. He was a better fighter than current Keith Thurman no doubt. Obviously he's more polished now but it wasn't his first rodeo.

People were saying back then that Floyd wouldn't take the risk to fight a young, strong champion boxer like Canelo. Its only after he outboxed him for 12 straight rounds that they started making excuses as to why he won again. They couldnt handle his undefeated, black, rich and cocky personna.
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The "green version" of Canelo had already 43 fights and multiple belts on his resume. He's had just 12 fights since then. He was a better fighter than current Keith Thurman no doubt. Obviously he's more polished now but it wasn't his first rodeo.

People were saying back then that Floyd wouldn't take the risk to fight a young, strong champion boxer like Canelo. Its only after he outboxed him for 12 straight rounds that they started making excuses as to why he won again. They couldnt handle his undefeated, black, rich and cocky personna.
Indeed, it was a major boost to Floyd's reputation. At least to me.
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solid post

Canelo was a bit weight drained that time & too green for Floyd

you mean Matthew Hatton, not Cotto's brother

Nah it was Miguel Cotto lil brother . He had Canelo by the ropes and landed an almost a one hitter quitter and put Canelo on a queer street.

I donít think the weight drained was a big factor. Floyd was just the better boxer and more experience. Canelo was too green to make adjustments.
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:45 AM   #15
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The "green version" of Canelo had already 43 fights and multiple belts on his resume. He's had just 12 fights since then. He was a better fighter than current Keith Thurman no doubt. Obviously he's more polished now but it wasn't his first rodeo.

People were saying back then that Floyd wouldn't take the risk to fight a young, strong champion boxer like Canelo. Its only after he outboxed him for 12 straight rounds that they started making excuses as to why he won again. They couldnt handle his undefeated, black, rich and cocky personna.

Thurman's resume was much better compared to Canelo pre-Mayweather fight

Keith beat Danny Garcia & Shawn Porter, while Canelo had Mosley (who lost to Floyd), Josesito Lopez

And no one in their right mind would bet that someone as green as Canelo could beat a veteran p4p#1 in Mayweather. They're just hyping up Canelo to sell that fight

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