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Old 08-14-2018, 03:55 PM   #1
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Default Report on sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania's Catholic Church

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/pe...ury/index.html
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At times, the lengthy catalog of clergy sexual abuses in the report is difficult to read. As the grand jurors note, priests and other Catholic leaders victimized boys and girls, teens and pre-pubescent children.
Some victims were plied with alcohol and groped or molested, the report says. Others were orally, ******lly or anally raped, according to the grand jurors.
"But all of them were brushed aside, in every part of the state, by church leaders who preferred to protect the abusers and their institution above all."
Among the more egregious cases, the grand jury reports that:
In the Greensburg diocese, a priest impregnated a 17-year-old, forged a pastor's signature on a marriage certificate and divorced the girl months later. According to the grand jury, the priest was allowed to stay in ministry by finding a "benevolent bishop."
Another priest in Greensburg groomed middle-school students for sex, according to the grand jury, by telling them that Mary had to "bite off the cord" and "lick" Jesus clean after the Nativity.
In Harrisburg, a priest abused five sisters from the same family and collected samples of their urine, pubic hair and menstrual blood.
In Pittsburgh, church officials said that a 15-year-old boy "pursued" and "literally seduced" a priest. A church report later acknowledged that the priest had admitted to "sado-masochistic" activities with several boys.
In the Allentown diocese, a priest admitted sexually molesting a boy and pleaded for help, according to documents, but was left in ministry for several more years.

'Grave failings'
The grand jury's searing report comes as the Catholic Church, including Pope Francis, is struggling to contain a sexual abuse scandal rapidly consuming the church on several continents.
In Australia, a bishop has been found guilty of covering up sexual abuse. In Chile, the Pope was forced to recant his dismissal of an abuse scandal involving a prominent priest and bishops accused of covering up his crimes.
Bishop says Catholic Church suffers from 'crisis of sexual morality'
Bishop says Catholic Church suffers from 'crisis of sexual morality'
And in the United States, a prominent archbishop was removed from the powerful College of Cardinals following reports that he had molested a teenage altar boy and several others while he was rising through the church's ranks. Meanwhile, bishops in Boston and Nebraska are investigating possible cases of sexual abuse in Catholic seminaries.

For weeks, though, many Catholics in the United States had been warily waiting for the Pennsylvania grand jury's report, especially as bishops in the state began publicly releasing the names of accused clergy in an apparent attempt to preempt some of the report's findings.
In a statement on Monday before the report was published, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the former Bishop of Pittsburgh who now heads the Archdiocese of Washington, said the report "will be a reminder of the grave failings that the church must acknowledge and for which it must seek forgiveness."
"We are now in the midst of a new era where our communal bonds of trust are once again being tested by the sin of abuse."
Delays in publication
Court action had delayed the report's publication. A number of individuals named in the report claimed that its findings were false or misleading, that they were denied due process of law and that its release would impair their reputations.
On July 27, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ordered the grand jury report to be released by 2 p.m. August 14 with redactions in sections where litigation was ongoing.
State Attorney General Josh Shapiro had written to Pope Francis on July 25, requesting that the Pontiff direct church leaders to stop "efforts to silence the survivors."
"A comprehensive investigation by the Office of Attorney General found widespread sexual abuse of children and a systematic coverup by leaders of the Catholic Church," Shapiro said in his letter. "Last month I planned to release the findings of our investigation. As I prepared to do so, anonymous petitioners implicated in this report went to court to stop me and silence the victims ..."
Shapiro later issued a statement welcoming the state Supreme Court's decision to allow the report's release.
"Our fear throughout this process has been that the entire grand jury report would be shelved and victims' truth would be silenced," Shapiro said. "Today's order ensures that will not be the case -- the redacted report on widespread sexual abuse and cover up within the Catholic Church will be released."
"I will continue to fight to ensure every single victim is heard and every priest, bishop and church official is held accountable for their abhorrent conduct. No one victim's truth is any less important than another and no one's criminal conduct any less loathsome."
Harrisburg abuse list
On August 1, the leader of one of the largest Roman Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania released a list identifying 71 priests, deacons and seminarians accused of "substantiated" sexual misconduct over the past seven decades.
Bishop Ronald Gainer of the Harrisburg Diocese also issued an apology on behalf of the religious community.
"That conduct has left a legacy of pain and sorrow that is still being felt," he wrote. "I apologize for these actions."
While most men on the Harrisburg list are accused of sexually abusing children, others were investigated for inappropriate behavior, such as kissing or inappropriately communicating with a minor, Gainer wrote. Others were accused of viewing or possessing child pornography.
The list did not say how the diocese handled most of the accusations and did not give the men's current whereabouts, though a few cases that were forwarded to civil authorities were more detailed.
Archbishop's resignation
A long series of abuse allegations have rocked the world's 1.2 billion Catholics since the scope of systemic abuse and cover-ups began emerging in 2002.
US Cardinal resigns over abuse allegations

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In July, Pope Francis accepted the resignation of Archbishop Theodore McCarrick from the College of Cardinals, one of the church's most powerful bodies, amid allegations of molestation and sexual misconduct. McCarrick, 88, had been a popular and politically influential leader in Washington. He maintained his innocence in June against some claims and has been unavailable to comment on others.
The sexual abuse accusations against McCarrick reveal a "grievous moral failure" within the Catholic Church, the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops said July 31.
"Our Church is suffering from a crisis of sexual morality," Daniel DiNardo said. "The way forward must involve learning from past sins."
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:57 PM   #2
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Yup, those Catholics sure have the soul-saving game on lock.

No need for reform, always been a healthy spiritual community
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:01 PM   #3
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Didn't this also happen in Baltimore, and Boston, and etc etc etc? Bunch of fvcking scum using religion as a tool to abuse children.
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Can't stand religion. I swear.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:18 PM   #5
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How can anyone take these Christian religions seriously with all the leaders supposedly closest to god committing all these crimes?

Do bhuddist or Hindi leaders pull this shit too?
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How can anyone take these Christian religions seriously with all the leaders supposedly closest to god committing all these crimes?

Do bhuddist or Hindi leaders pull this shit too?


This has nothing to do with religion, but with the perversions that manifested with these men. God is still God and it's still beneficial to help your fellow man.
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Didn't this also happen in Baltimore, and Boston, and etc etc etc? Bunch of fvcking scum using religion as a tool to abuse children.
I feel bad for the kids but I don't see how this is news to anyone. Religion is a powerful thing. The CatholicChurc is known to have employed and covered up the abuses of pedophile priests for decades. I think this was a big deal back when Bush was in office. And yet we have supposedly sane and sentient adults participating in their rituals, giving them money, and leaving them alone with their children. Oh well.
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Old 08-15-2018, 02:41 AM   #8
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Fvck all of the abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism).
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:23 AM   #9
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Sexual intercourse in a healthy heterosexual marriage was never forbidden by God.


When you refrain from that activity, it leads to disastrosus consequences like this. Monasticism is something people invented. It is extremism. Now these poor children suffer.

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Old 08-15-2018, 07:25 AM   #10
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Can't stand religion. I swear.

You are being extremely unjust in attacking a system of living that gives rights to children and explicitly forbids these things---both homosexual activity and pedophilia.

These are the abominable acts of men---not religion.

The best thing to do would be to find any of these trauma victims and support them psychologically until they undergo a full recovery.

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Old 08-15-2018, 07:37 AM   #11
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Fvck all of the abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism).

Those religions teach centering one's life around loving God and eschewing idols, speaking the truth, righteousness, loving one's neighbor, compassion, peace, love, unity, equality, justice, a better life, accountability in the Hereafter, forgiveness, honoring guests, fighting against oppression, charity, chastity, humility, the sanctity of family, moderation, happiness, peace, detachment from being enamored with material things, the purpose of life, and many many other virtues to the benefit of mankind---

whereas you are filled with injustice and hatred towards huge groups of people because of the actions of a few men who defy the tenets of said religion.

That's unjust.
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For who even knows how long men with socially unacceptable sexual tendencies went into the priesthood because it was a perfect excuse to repress them. Many of them I'm sure wanted to repress them. Some of the tendencies more reprehensible than others. Some I'm sure were able to repress them their whole lives. Others obviously were not able to do that.

These guys deserve to be punished to the fullest extent, and I'd argue beyond that, which is the same argument I make about rogue police officers, because they should be held to a higher standard because they've been entrusted with special rights by their communities.

There's no information on it here, but how guilty the church itself is in these behaviors depends. The Boston case's real sin was that it was found that the church knew about some of these cases and rather than report or even do anything substantial internally, they would simply re-locate these guys. The more of this that comes out, the more it feels like the church should have been acting way more aggressively. These feel less like outliers, and I really do believe a lot people who went into the priesthood during that era did have different sexual proclivities, and the church probably should have figured that out and at least been more inclined to act on this stuff at the slightest whisper.

When I was coaching basketball through the diocese, I used to have to take this sex offender course every year, as a result of this shit. It was mostly about reading kids' behavior. Observing things like bruising in locker rooms. It just came off as such bullshit coming from this institution. Asking their volunteers to do this nonsense because they've had 100 year history of abhorrent behavior. Not only was it obviously not a solution, but it wasn't even addressing the problem, as it didn't involve any priests. I remember one year there were two guys in the class because they were volunteering to put up Christmas lights. And the church wrote an article about the class like they were pro-actively solving this problem with this two hour class they were forcing their volunteers to take to hang up ****ing Christmas lights.
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Old 08-15-2018, 08:29 AM   #13
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How can anyone take these Christian religions seriously with all the leaders supposedly closest to god committing all these crimes?

Do bhuddist or Hindi leaders pull this shit too?
What does some people being horrible human beings have to do with this? How can anyone take Liberals seriously when you have some pieces of shit at the top? I guess that hasn't stopped you from supporting them, or is it "different" all of the sudden?
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This has nothing to do with religion, but with the perversions that manifested with these men. God is still God and it's still beneficial to help your fellow man.


these are the leaders of the church.

A Cardinal in NJ has just been revealed to be a big time serial predator.

these arent random dudes in the crowd tio.
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these are the leaders of the church.

A Cardinal in NJ has just been revealed to be a big time serial predator.

these arent random dudes in the crowd tio.
You do realize a lot of people in the Democratic party are criminals right? Starting with the biggest power couple the US has ever had in the Clintons, which you and other Liberals wanted her to be the new President? They're the real life version of the family in House of Cards. So again, how can you support a party when so many leaders are horrible human beings?
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