Wilt in Must-Win and Clinching Games in the Post-Season

[32jazz]

You'd deliberately start a thread about Wilt just so you can continue posting your essays which nobody reads.... that's sad man, real sad. Wilt is universally accepted as top 1-5 player all time, get over it and start acting your age.

There is still much misinformation spread about Wilt & it's refreshing to hear some facts about him from time to time instead of another Kobe thread.

Tim Legler just spread a ball face lie about Wilt dominating "6'7 guys" a few weeks back

Wilt actually had a much smaller size advantage at Center than Magic at pg or even MJ/Drexler at SG especially during most of the 80's.

I believe centers have always averaged about 6'10 in this League, but People keep spreading that myth.

[HurricaneKid]

Keep in mind how much smaller the league was too. I mean when he came in there were 8 teams. That he "ONLY" faced 3 HoF centers during that time meant he played against one 3/7 nights. Imagine how much harder it would be in the league if the bottom 75% of the league evaporated. Those teams would be stacked and it would be so much harder to achieve statistical levels seen today.

[Deuce Bigalow]

[32jazz]

Keep in mind how much smaller the league was too. I mean when he came in there were 8 teams. That he "ONLY" faced 3 HoF centers during that time meant he played against one 3/7 nights. Imagine how much harder it would be in the league if the bottom 75% of the league evaporated. Those teams would be stacked and it would be so much harder to achieve statistical levels seen today.

Exactly.

But I wasn't trying to change the subject of this thread(Wilt in close out games) but simply show how much misinformation there is.


Wilt did have to play HOF guys like Russell, Bellamy, Nate Thurmond,etc... As many as 7 or 8 times in the regular season alone. Not many off nights.

[The_Yearning]

Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.

[millwad]

Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.

The guy himself never saw Wilt play either. He found his love for Wilt just a couple of years ago and he's like 56 years old.

He used to post stuff about the modern era players being better, that Wilt faced weak competition and that the player modern era players are more athletic but then he got insecure and went all troll regarding Wilt.

He claims he remembers 40+ year old games but still the old fart changed his mind COMPLETELY about Wilt and his era just some years ago over some youtube-clips, quotes and reports..

[32jazz]

Buddy, nobody on this board has ever seen Wilt play or gives a damn.

Seems like some of the best posters on this board cared & had thoughtful posts.

If you & your loser buddies don't care why bother posting?

I would like to learn more facts about Wilt instead of misinformation.

[millwad]

Seems like some of the best posters on this board cared & had thoughtful posts.

If you & your loser buddies don't care why bother posting?

I would like to learn more facts about Wilt instead of misinformation.

Then go and learn from someone who actually saw Wilt play and not some old fart who later in life got some fetisch about Wilt.

And he's the last guy you should listen to if you don't like to get misinformed..

[jlauber]

The guy himself never saw Wilt play either. He found his love for Wilt just a couple of years ago and he's like 56 years old.

He used to post stuff about the modern era players being better, that Wilt faced weak competition and that the player modern era players are more athletic but then he got insecure and went all troll regarding Wilt.

He claims he remembers 40+ year old games but still the old fart changed his mind COMPLETELY about Wilt and his era just some years ago over some youtube-clips, quotes and reports..

This coming from the same CLOWN who OBVIOUSLY NEVER saw Hakeem play. The same Dickwad who claimed that Hakeem never guarded Kareem in Kareem's MULTIPLE 40+ point games (at age 38 BTW...when he could barely get 6 rpg.)

The same idiot who argued that Barkley did NOT outrebound Hakeem by FOUR rpg in the 96-97 season.

Yep...the same pathetic moron who who can't remember anything from 15 years ago...

[jlauber]

What's his FT%

Look it up. And while you are at, take a look at the HUGE margin in BOTH FTAs and FTs MADE that Wilt had over his opposing centers, AND, the MASSIVE margin that his TEAM's had in both in the post-season.

Chamberlain CRIPPLED opposing players and teams in the post-season from the line.

In any case, you have read my posts on his post-seasons thru the '64-65 season. Please give us your take. Keep in mind that Wilt joined a LAST PLACE team in his rookie season, played with arguably the worst rosters in NBA history in 62-63 thru the first half of the '64-65 season...AND, those surrounding players then played WORSE in the post-season. And yet, Wilt took two of those rosters to game seven losses, by margins of two and one point, against the HOF-laden Celtics. And, he took a roster that couldn't beat some scrubs in a pre-season scrimmage (without Wilt, of course) to the Finals in the '64 season.

[millwad]

This coming from the same CLOWN who OBVIOUSLY NEVER saw Hakeem play. The same Dickwad who claimed that Hakeem never guarded Kareem in Kareem's MULTIPLE 40+ point games (at age 38 BTW...when he could barely get 6 rpg.)

The same idiot who argued that Barkley did NOT outrebound Hakeem by FOUR rpg in the 96-97 season.

Yep...the same pathetic moron who who can't remember anything from 15 years ago...

Haha, what an idiot. How can you be so happy over the fact that I missed out on 2-3 games from Akeem's rookie and 2nd year as a pro season. In games that didn't matter.

And you're still the same idiot who can't read, I mixed up years regarding Barkley outrebounding Hakeem in '97. And both things are things I made clear I was wrong about. And there's a fine line between you and me, I am a FAN but you're just obsessed.. And I have still seen way more Hakeem games then you've seen Wilt games, youtube-boy.

By the way, do you remember that list you tried to make up with all the big guys Wilt faced during his career? The self-proclaimed Wilt historian is so full of crap that he even put up players Wilt never faced in his career(ABA-players, players who still was in college and other ABA-players who never even played NBA games). It later came to light that Jlauber had copied that list, like everything else he calls "knowledge"..

You've been exposed so many times, Jlauber. All you do is google your info, you didn't even have the same opinions you have regarding Wilt just a few years ago. More then 40+ years the actual games took part, you changed your mind over youtube, google and quotes..

You're discussing games you only know about thanks to google and books more then 40 years after actual games were played.. And fact still remains that you changed your mind about Wilt and his era due youtube and google..

[L8kersfan222]

lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wilt

[jlauber]

Exactly.

But I wasn't trying to change the subject of this thread(Wilt in close out games) but simply show how much misinformation there is.


Wilt did have to play HOF guys like Russell, Bellamy, Nate Thurmond,etc... As many as 7 or 8 times in the regular season alone. Not many off nights.

In the 59-60 season, Chamberlain and Russell faced off 11 times in the regular season, and then again six more times in the post-season. And, had they each not missed a game during the regular season, they would have met 13 times.

The two went at it 13 times in the 60-61 regular season.

In the 61-62 season, they battled 10 times in the regular season (and had Russell not missed two games, it would have been 12.) Then they went to a game seven in the ECF's.

In the 64-65 season, they met 11 times in the regular season, and then another seven times in the ECF's.



BTW, in Chamberlain's 65-66 season, he met Thurmond in nine games (Nate missed one), Bellamy in ten games, and Russell in ten reguar season games (and five more in the playoffs.)

Incidently, Wilt averaged 28.3 ppg against Russell, 28.9 ppg against Thurmond, and 33.0 ppg against Bellamy. Including his last game of the '65 season against Nate, in which he scored 34 points, he averaged 29.4 ppg against Thurmond in ten straight games...including two of 33, one of 34, one of 38, and a staggering 45 point game against him (outscoring him by a 45-13 margin.)

Against Bellamy he had games of 34, 34, 35, 37, 38, and 50. He battered Russell with four games of 30+ in the regular season, with a high game of 37, and then pounded him with a 46 point game in the clinching game five loss of the ECF's. In those 28 regular season games against Thurmond, Bellamy, and Russell, he was outscored in TWO games (and then Russell managed to outscore him in one playoff game.) And in MANY of them, he just BURIED those guys.

Domination? In Wilt's 64-65 season, he faced HOFer Willis Reed in nine games, and had games of 29, 30, 36, 37, 37, 41, 41, 52, and 58 points. Or 40 ppg in an entire SEASON against him.

How about Wilt's 62-63 season against Bellamy? He averaged 43.7 ppg against him in their ten regular season games.

It was even worse in the 61-62 season, when he averaged an eye-popping 52.7 ppg against Bellamy in their ten regular season games!

Of course, Chamberlain had two entire seasons of averaging 38 ppg against Russell, as well as another at 35.5 ppg.

[jlauber]

Continuing...

65-66. In the clinching game five loss of the ECF's, Wilt outscored Russell, 46-18, and outrebounded him, 34-31. He also shot 19-34 from the floor (albeit, only 8-25 from the line.)

Comments: During the regular season, Chamberlain led the NBA in scoring, at 33.5 ppg; in rebounding, at 24.6 rpg; averaged 5.2 apg; and set a then-record .540 FG% mark that he would shatter the very next season. All while leading his Sixers to the best record in the league, at 55-25 (edging the seven-time defending champion Celtics, who finished 54-26.)

Interesting too, was the fact that Wilt averaged 28.3 ppg and 30.7 rpg against Russell during the regular season (Russell was at 11.7 ppg and 22.8 rpg.) In the ECF's, Chamberlain averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .509 from the field against Russell and the Celtics (Russell scored 14.0 ppg and grabbed 26.2 rpg.) So, Chamberlain played almost the exact same way as he did during the regular season...and yet...his Sixers were stomped, 4-1. What changed? How about the fact that Chamberlain's teammates collectively shot .352 from the floor?


66-67. In the game four clinching win over the Royals in the first round of the playoffs, Wilt played arguably his worst game of that series. He scored 18 points, on 7-14 shooting, with 27 rebounds, and 9 assists. His opposing center, Connie Dierking, scored 8 points, on 4-14 shooting, with 4 rebounds.

Comments: In that first round of the playoffs, Wilt averaged 28 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg (yes, a triple double series), on .612 shooting. In the first game of the series, Chamberlain poured in 41 points (which was Philly's post-season high game that year), on 19-30 shooting, with 22 rebounds. In game two, Wilt hung a 37 point game, on 16-24 shooting, with 27 rebounds. And in game three, Wilt put up a 16-30-19 triple double game (the 19 assists were a playoff record at the time.) Oh, and how did Chamberlain's opposing center perform in that series? Dierking averaged 17.5 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 3.5 apg, and shot .427 from the floor.

ECF's. In the clinching game five win, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 29-4; outshot Russell from the floor, 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted Russell, 13-7; and outrebounded Russell, by a staggering 36-21 margin. And Wilt also blocked seven shots, as well.

Comments: Wilt just crushed Russell in every facet of the game in that series. He outscored Russell, per game, 21.6 to 10.2 ppg. He outrebounded Russell by a whopping 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin. He outassisted Russell, per game, 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg (yes, another triple double series.) And he outshot Russell by a .556 to .358 margin. In game one of the series, Chamberlain hung a quad-double of 24-32-13-12. And in game three, Wilt set a post-season record by grabbing 41 rebounds (Russell had 29.)


Finals. In the clinching game six win, Chamberlain outscored Thurmond, 24-12; outrtebounded Nate, 24-23; and outshot Thurmond from the floor, 8-13 to 4-13. And, in the waning seconds, with the Sixers leading by one point, Chamberlain jumped out on Rick Barry, who was then going to pass to Thurmond, but Wilt quickly adjusted, and Barry had to fling up a hopeless shot, and the Sixers went on to win 125-122.

Comments: Wilt outscored Thurmond, per game, 17.5 ppg to 14.3 ppg. He outrebounded Nate, per game, 28.5 rpg to 26.7 rpg (and he outrebounded Thurmond in five of the six games, including one game by a 38-31 margin.) And, amazingly, he outshot Thurmond by a .560 to .343 margin.

For the entire post-season in that 66-67 season, Wilt averaged 21.7 ppg, 29.1 rpg, 9.2 apg, and shot .579 from the field.


To be continued...

[millwad]

Don't you ever get tired of writing all those essays while not getting any response because no one reads them? Or do you just google them like everything else you put up, google boy?