3ball....Who you got? Kobe or Lebron?

[Dray n Klay]

the wise man has spoken.


Kobe can get more out of a variety of different HOF teammates, while Lebron has a more narrow range of what he can fit with ~ cookie cutter floor spreader types for the most part, with at least one HOF wing that could seal the deal.

Kobe repeated with Derek Fisher.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Kobe actually played with better guards than LeBron



Kobe:

Nick van Exel

Eddie Jones

Gary Payton

Steve Nash





LeBron:


Broken down Wade

Irving (who wasn't even an all star)

[Dray n Klay]

The myth that Kobe only had 1 dominant big man and nothing else needs to stop.



Here, compare the elite guards Kobe played with compared to LeBron, it's not even close.


Kobe:

Nick van Exel

Eddie Jones

Gary Payton

Steve Nash





LeBron:


Broken down Wade

Irving (who wasn't even an all star)




So not only did Kobe get to play with GOAT big men, he also had better guards around him than LeBron. #stacked

[stalkerforlife]

Triggered.

What
A
Meltdown

[Mr Feeny]

12be gonna 12be

[LilEddyCurry]

Add Mo Williams to the LeBron list and also a washed-up Larry Hughes.

[K Xerxes]

you aren't getting it - Lebron's stats are better than Kobe's, but Lebron achieves those stats by reducing teammate stats - this is statistical fact.

Otoh, Jordan (who had better stats than Lebron) and Kobe (who didn't) both achieve their stats WITHOUT reducing their teammates' stats...

NOT suppressing teammates' stats is often more important than accumulating stats yourself, which is why they're 6/6 and 5/7, while Lebron is a losing 3/7

Only Love and Bosh have seen decreases in their statistical production that can be attributed in part to LeBron. Kyrie hasn't. Wade was playing fine until he started declining. And, for this, the bottom line is LeBron has made all of them champions (or, with Wade, two more times a champion).

You don't understand basketball if you think the stats of 2nd and 3rd scoring options comprise an entire team. The defensive attention he commands demonstrably gives role players more opportunities to score.

Futhermore, you ignore the impact of a good coaching system. Before you say that Phil and Tex are overrated as they had had all time great players, even WITH that, comparing them to the coaches LeBron has had is frankly a non-comparison.

My point is that there are a lot of factors you simply refuse to consider when discussing LeBron. With a lot of frankly useless conjecture that tons of other greats could win more in his place.

Before it used to be that LeBron didn't have the accomplishments to be in that top 5 conversation. Now that he clearly does (3 rings, 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs), it's fallen to speculation and logical gymnastics to argue that he isn't as great as he quite clearly is. No remotely rational observer buys it.

[Dray n Klay]

Think about it, Kobe had so much more guard help than LeBron, that Kobe couldn't even get a starting role on his team his first 3 years

[warriorfan]

in what world is lebron's weakness his clutch scoring? leader in game 7 ppg in history of the game. has better clutch production in the closing seconds than most greats in the history of the game.

weakness he says : :

Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 [COLOR="Green"](75.1% TS)[/COLOR]
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3


If you notice, none of LeBron's 7 Finals are on that list

[SouBeachTalents]

Only Love and Bosh have seen decreases in their statistical production that can be attributed in part to LeBron. Kyrie hasn't. Wade was playing fine until he started declining. And, for this, the bottom line is LeBron has made all of them champions (or, with Wade, two more times a champion).

You don't understand basketball if you think the stats of 2nd and 3rd scoring options comprise an entire team. The defensive attention he commands demonstrably gives role players more opportunities to score.

Futhermore, you ignore the impact of a good coaching system. Before you say that Phil and Tex are overrated as they had had all time great players, even WITH that, comparing them to the coaches LeBron has had is frankly a non-comparison.

My point is that there are a lot of factors you simply refuse to consider when discussing LeBron. With a lot of frankly useless conjecture that tons of other greats could win more in his place.

Before it used to be that LeBron didn't have the accomplishments to be in that top 5 conversation. Now that he clearly does (3 rings, 3 FMVPs and 4 MVPs), it's fallen to speculation and logical gymnastics to argue that he isn't as great as he quite clearly is. No remotely rational observer buys it.

I'm pretty sure I saw that 3ball ranked Barkley higher than LeBron

[SouBeachTalents]

Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 [COLOR="Green"](75.1% TS)[/COLOR]
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3


If you notice, none of LeBron's 7 Finals are on that list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpjtV4qjJBU

Also, you'll notice that none of Curry's Finals are on the FMVP list

[K Xerxes]

Most 4th Quarter Points during the Finals

1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 [COLOR="Green"](75.1% TS)[/COLOR]
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1993 Michael Jordan 10.3


If you notice, none of LeBron's 7 Finals are on that list

Because you're taking only one quarter of a game? LeBron has 4 finals with more ppg than Curry in 2015 if you actually include all 4 quarters.

[andgar923]

I see both K X's and 3Ball's arguments.

They're both correct on both counts.

Which is why MJ = GOAT

He's Bron like with the stats, and Kobe with the skills.



I had too!!!

[warriorfan]

Because you're taking only one quarter of a game? LeBron has 4 finals with more ppg than Curry in 2015 if you actually include all 4 quarters.

No, those were posted in response to LeBron's ability to score in the clutch

How many points a player scores in the 4th quarter of the Finals is a good indicator on how clutch of a performer they are

[Smoke117]

This is how I view them...

Bron is a hammer
Kobe is a Swiss Army knife

Both can do the job, but it depends on what job you need done.

And like you alluded, the Swiss Army knife will be useful for more situations.

You have be one of the dumbest mother ****ers to come to this conclusion. The chucker and primary scorer is the swiss army knife...but the best all around player in the league for over a decade is the hammer? LMFAO. Stick to throating Jordan.

[andgar923]

You have be one of the dumbest mother ****ers to come to this conclusion. The chucker and primary scorer is the swiss army knife...but the best all around player in the league for over a decade is the hammer? LMFAO. Stick to throating Jordan.

Did you even read to what I was alluding too?

If you read the entire thing within 'context' you would understand it better.