1990 Jordan vs 2009 Lebron

[Papaya Petee]

Rookie Jordan > 2009 Lebron. Sorry, Lebron is great but when i watch Rookie MJ vs Dr.J,Barkley&Malone...For 1990 Jordan.. its not even argument.

Do you realize how retarded you sound right now?

[donald_trump]

any MJ>>>>> any version of Bron until now and possibly the near future

And MJ was a better driver and finisher as well.

once again, more irrational garbage being spewed up by moron posters.

[Indian guy]

lol

What's so funny?

[Papaya Petee]

Ehh, all the older posters will do whatever it takes to boost up the old stars compared to the players now. For those saying Any Jordan > Any LeBron, they just sound dumb, and no reason to argue with them because you won't change their minds.

Yes, they put up nearly identical numbers, nearly identical team success, near identical defensive players, yet its not even close,

[Bigsmoke]

But Philly squad had them all 3.. He faced Bird's celtics,Magic's Lakers,Isiah's Pistons,Hakeem's Rockets and more in rookie year and did quite well against them.

Rookie Jordan had most creative scoring and also efficent too.IMO, only Dr.J had such crazy moves near to rim.He was more focus on defense with great stealing ability.Extremely fast and agile, better slasher with amazing leaping ability.Better post scorer (Of course much worse than 90's Jordan) His stats almost same with Lebron.

I would say Lebron over many great players but Jordan was a freak of nature too just like Lebron.

I think his Rookie year more close than 1990's Jordan.Jordan was at prime that time and had no weakness in his game that time.(even his 3 points were okay-probably only area he is not great in his game)

dont give me wrong, MJ had to face teams that had multiple HOFers and rings but lets not act like Lebron its playing in 1999. Besides the Magic, all of the teams Lebron lost to in the playoffs won titles "Pistons, Spurs, and Celtics" Lets be for real, were there any teams Jordan has faced in the Finals that was as challenging to beat than the Spurs in 2007?

[BuGzBuNNy]

Stats (mathematically) Adjusted. I did 2010 Lebron as well.

1990 Regular Season
[color=white]....[/color]Jordan- 33.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.3 apg, 52.6 FG%, 39.0 mpg
09 Lebron- 30.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 8.5 apg, 50.7 FG%, 37.7 mpg
10 Lebron- 31.7 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 10.1 apg, 51.9 FG%, 39.0 mpg

2009 Regular Season
Lebron- 28.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.2 apg, 48.9 FG%, 37.7 mpg
Jordan- 31.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 5.3 apg, 50.7 FG%, 39.0 mpg

2010 Regular Season
Lebron- 29.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, 50.3 FG%, 39.0 mpg
Jordan- 31.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 5.4 apg, 50.9 FG%, 39.0 mpg

[rodman91]

this is exactly why these questions about lebron shouldnt even be asked at this point.

no one is going to be rational. they'll say jordan>lebron whenever even if not the case. they'll bring up quitting, no heart, etc. dont bother. it will be completely different when lebron is no longer in the league.


though to answer your question, i never though id see a player as good as jordan or shaq in terms of peak, but yes, i think lebron is just as good as those two. his last few years have a case for being some of the greatest years in basketball history along with shaq, jordan, wilt and bird.

I agree.I'm definetly not hater or crazy Jordan Fan.I really love Lebron's game. (It looks ugly,no smooth at all but its really rare to find such all around dominance) However comparing to Jordan isn't fair.Jordan at peak had no weakness at all. (even his 3 point shooting were okay) Until Lebron magically develop best post game for a wing player,become one of the best perimeter defence player,one of the best at stealing and keep his athletism..then i can compare.

It doesn't mean Lebron is joke or not become one of the best.But Jordan put that bar so high.He had no weakness at his game.You can find some weakness for greatest players of all time but Jordan didn't have. Only his 3pts were not great.And thats not a weakness.Its really one of only.Such freak of nature with great versality and almost one of the greatest all of that.Probably Shaq would be similar if he had Hakeem's versality and skill in such superior body.

[madmax]

Jordan stans are some of the most insecure bunch ever met on internet...only some of the Kome crazies can rival these loons in delusion. Saying things like that Jordan was a "perfect" player (a term which doesn't even exist in real life) is about as retarded as you get. Funny how all those sexy stats of his couldn't bring His Airness over the hump untill Phil Jackson and Pip appeared and made his status "immortal". I'd say Jordan is easily the most mystified superstar of all time - but what can you expect from the generation of Space Jam tards really?

[rodman91]

Do you realize how retarded you sound right now?

No,not all.28.2 ppg,6.5rpg,5.9apg,2.4 spg,51.5 FG%.In a league Bird,Magic,Kareem,Dr.J,Moses Malone,Isiah Thomas roamed.His rookie year more comparable than his 1990. If you consider he wasn't good at outside shooting. 1990's Jordan superior than any year of Lebron almost at everything.Rookie Jordan is more fair.

[az00m]

compare 88-89 with lebron 9/10

[Jacks3]

2009 LeBron> Any version of Jordan.

It's extraordinary how underrated he's become.

[ShaqAttack3234]

He wasn't as good of a scorer, defender, or passer. The only thing he was better at was rebounding.

I don't see how Jordan was a better passer. Better scorer and defender? Yeah.

Rookie Jordan > 2009 Lebron. Sorry, Lebron is great but when i watch Rookie MJ vs Dr.J,Barkley&Malone...For 1990 Jordan.. its not even argument.

Rookie Jordan? Not even close. Dr. J was 34 and a 20/5/3 player by that point and Barkley was a rookie putting up 14/9 in 29 mpg.

Not by much, if any. Either way it doesn't matter in a player vs player comparison, my point was that Lebron's competition made it pretty easy for him to get those crazy stats.

It's never pretty easy to get 39/8/8 in a playoff series on 49% shooting or 35/9/7 on 51% shooting for 3 playoff series.

I would take 08-09 and 09-10 LeBron over ALL versions of non-1st 3peat MJ.

The only version of Jordan I might take over 1990 Jordan is 1991, and really, the difference that year was a better cast and a worse Detroit team in the ECF than the previous year. 1992 MJ is right up there too, his 3 year peak IMO was '90-'92.

HELL NO.

I dont think Lebron was better than MJ but I think Lebron in 2009 had a better season than Jordan had in 1990 because of winning 66 games and his numbers in that Magic series. But MJ in that Blazers series would own dude

Actually, Jordan put up even crazier stats vs Philly in 1990 than Lebron did vs Orlando. 43 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 7.4 apg vs a 53-29 Sixer team

Stats (mathematically) Adjusted. I did 2010 Lebron as well.

1990 Regular Season
[color=white]....[/color]Jordan- 33.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.3 apg, 52.6 FG%, 39.0 mpg
09 Lebron- 30.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 8.5 apg, 50.7 FG%, 37.7 mpg
10 Lebron- 31.7 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 10.1 apg, 51.9 FG%, 39.0 mpg

2009 Regular Season
Lebron- 28.4 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.2 apg, 48.9 FG%, 37.7 mpg
Jordan- 31.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 5.3 apg, 50.7 FG%, 39.0 mpg

2010 Regular Season
Lebron- 29.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, 50.3 FG%, 39.0 mpg
Jordan- 31.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 5.4 apg, 50.9 FG%, 39.0 mpg

I really don't think this is an accurate way to compare. Jordan's Bulls pace dropped by 4 possessions per 48 in the playoffs and his numbers increased from 34/7/6 to 37/7/7 on pretty close to the same efficiency.

His numbers may drop a bit playing at a snail's pace like Lebron's '09 Cavs, but pace makes a much bigger difference for superstars in extreme situations(Run TMC, 80's Nuggets ect.). Not as much when there have been numerous teams in recent years to play pretty much at the Bulls 1990 pace or faster.

When comparing numbers, the fact that Lebron was more ball dominant could also be brought up.

If the pace dropped, I'm not sure that Jordan would lose much production if any, because I don't see him getting the ball much less when Pippen was his only teammate who could consistently create his own shot in the halfcourt on that 1990 team. The rest of the players were shooters or finishers.

[az00m]

2009 LeBron> Any version of Jordan.

It's extraordinary how underrated he's become.

How do you see 2009 lebron better than than 89 jordan?

32.5/8/8/3 is closes too triple double average in 30 years

[Harison]

no one is going to be rational. they'll say jordan>lebron whenever even if not the case. they'll bring up quitting, no heart, etc. dont bother. it will be completely different when lebron is no longer in the league.

though to answer your question, i never though id see a player as good as jordan or shaq in terms of peak, but yes, i think lebron is just as good as those two. his last few years have a case for being some of the greatest years in basketball history along with shaq, jordan, wilt and bird.

Unless Lebron delivers extraordinary performance and wins against elite defensive teams, his legacy wont be much different now and after he finishes his career. And once again no, Lebron isnt close to prime MJ and Shaq, to say LBJ is "as good as" is a prime example of homerism or ignorance.

[YouCallILose]

How do you see 2009 lebron better than than 89 jordan?

32.5/8/8/3 is closet too triple double average in 30 years

Nah Magic averaged

21/9/8.9
16/10/8.5
21/8.3/8.3

during his career in different seasons.