who or what did lebron.OVERCOME or BUILD

[AirBonner]

Panties in a bunch is generous - these dudes assholes swallowed those said panties long ago. No wonder they mad. Hell, I'd be angry too if I wasted the majority of my life stanning a guy who is A, not that good.. and B, does not deserve it.

L after L and no Cool J

Hi 3ball

[3ba11]

The stakes, the level of comp, the age.

Lebron against championship comp from 2007-2011:

07' Lebron Finals..... 22 on 36%
08' Lebron Semis..... 26 on 35%
11' Lebron Finals..... 18 on 47%
10' Lebron Semis..... 21 on 34%*

* for the last 3 games to lose 2-1 lead

^^^ The historical record shows that Lebron was horrible against championship comp from 2007-2011 until Wade finally got through to him on how to perform under pressure...

Historical record gonna historical record

Well.....technically Mj had a pretty close to identical scenario play out in the 1989 ECF

Pistons were champs and Jordan averaged 30 on 46% against them, while Lebron wet the bed against championship comp from 07-11' until Wade taught him how to win.. (see previous response above)

And against teams like the 07' Pistons (53 wins and #6 SRS), Jordan averaged 35-45 with 9 apg - see the series against the 89' Cavs or 89' Knicks - these were real upsets of low seed vs high seed... or 90' Sixers (43/7/7 vs Barkley's 53-win team and #6 SRS, just like the 07' Pistons).

MJ hasn't had a game like that, ever.

Lots of guys drop 45-50 against garbage teams in the playoffs like AI in Game 7 of the 2001 ECF.

Otoh, Boobie Gibson carried the Cavs to the Finals in the closeout Game with 32 points, while Lebron wet the bed with 20 on 3-11...

Btw, Jordan had many superior games against real competition on the biggest stage like the Finals,bor the franchise altering "the shot" game

MJ hasn't had a game like that, ever.

Lebron only needed 25 ppg to beat Detroit and the Eastern Playoffs, while Jordan never averaged that little in any series..

So the gap in Eastern Conference comp is staggering and historic.. The 00's East is the only conference in history that was won by multiple 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in.. That's the definition of stacking the deck.

[AirBonner]

Boobie Gibson >>> Pippen

[8Ball]

The real funny part is 3ball isn't melty at all and in actuality its the Bronsexuals who are in perpetual meltdown mode even across their alts. Here's a laughing emoji for you guys

Yeah ok, the guy that makes over 1000 lebron threads last 8 years and makes a LeBron thread almost every single day isn't having a meltdown.

You're on crack.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Hi 3ball

LOL I barely care enough to post on one account

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron against championship comp from 2007-2011:

07' Lebron Finals..... 22 on 36%
08' Lebron Semis..... 26 on 35%
11' Lebron Finals..... 18 on 47%
10' Lebron Semis..... 21 on 34%*

* for the last 3 games to lose 2-1 lead

^^^ The historical record shows that Lebron was horrible against championship comp from 2007-2011 until Wade finally got through to him on how to perform under pressure...

Historical record gonna historical record


Pistons were champs and Jordan averaged 30 on 46% against them, while Lebron wet the bed against championship comp from 07-11' until Wade taught him how to win.. (see previous response above)

And against teams like the 07' Pistons (53 wins and #6 SRS), Jordan averaged 35-45 with 9 apg - see the series against the 89' Cavs or 89' Knicks - these were real upsets of low seed vs high seed... or 90' Sixers (43/7/7 vs Barkley's 53-win team and #6 SRS, just like the 07' Pistons).

Oh is this that thing where we move the goalposts because you can't refute a point? Pass.

Lots of guys drop 45-50 against garbage teams in the playoffs like AI in Game 7 of the 2001 ECF.

Otoh, Boobie Gibson carried the Cavs to the Finals in the closeout Game with 32 points, while Lebron wet the bed with 20 on 3-11...

Btw, Jordan had many superior games against real competition on the biggest stage like the Finals,bor the franchise altering "the shot" game

You can't differentiate 2 different 40 point games lol. It's not the numbers, it's the way it was done. On the road, 29 of the last 30 cavs points. Bucket to go to overtime and gamewinner as well. Everyone in the world knew what he was going to do in that stretch and no one could do a damn thing about it. Lebron told Boobie going into that game 6 he was going to have opportunities before they even took the floor lol. And yeah, of course Mj has had great games of different types, he never had one like that tho.

Lebron only needed 25 ppg to beat Detroit and the Eastern Playoffs, while Jordan never averaged that little in any series..

So the gap in Eastern Conference comp is staggering and historic.. The 00's East is the only conference in history that was won by multiple 1-star teams, yet that's the conference that Lebron formed super-teams in.. That's the definition of stacking the deck.

Who cares how much he averaged? If you run now you might be able to catch those goalposts, they move pretty quick tho. Never forget. 4 allstar Pistons, Wade/Shaq Heat, iand big 3 Celtics were the East representatives sandwiched around Lebron's 07 appearance. Stop the Cap.

[kawhileonard2]

How we know Kobe was greater than Lebron is that when both had stacked teams Lebron struggled or got destroyed by Duncan while kobe would destroy Duncan. Lebron knew this fact and thus avoided Kobe.

[3ba11]

Oh is this that thing where we move the goalposts because you can't refute a point? Pass.

No you were comparing apples and oranges, aka a garbage team to champions

I'm comparing apples to apples by comparing Lebron and Jordan's performance against championship comp

Jordan destroyed championship comp from his 2nd season (86'), while Lebron was literally wetting the bed against championship comp from 07-11' (through his 8th season).

Night and day

You can't differentiate 2 different 40 point games lol. It's not the numbers, it's the way it was done. On the road, 29 of the last 30 cavs points. Bucket to go to overtime and gamewinner as well. Everyone in the world knew what he was going to do in that stretch and no one could do a damn thing about it. Lebron told Boobie going into that game 6 he was going to have opportunities before they even took the floor lol. And yeah, of course Mj has had great games of different types, he never had one like that tho.

Jordan had games and shots that altered a franchise's fortunes and future

Otoh, Lebron's series against the Pistons was the team's peak - it was all downhill after that..

Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance lacked the teammate development, fits and brand of ball (coachability) to build a team up and win organically, so he had to be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).

Who cares how much he averaged?

Averages are important - Lebron won the East (07') and a Finals (13') with several less PPG than Jordan ever averaged - that's significant - it speaks to burden.

Never forget. 4 allstar Pistons, Wade/Shaq Heat, iand big 3 Celtics were the East representatives sandwiched around Lebron's 07 appearance. Stop the Cap.

There were good Eastern teams in 04', 06' and 08' but the majority of years from 01-09' were won by 1-star teams (Iverson, Lebron, Dwight, Kidd twice)

So the conference was mostly win by 1-star teams and was going to be wide open for the next decade, yet that's the conference he formed super-teams in..

[kawhileonard2]

How we know Kobe was greater than Lebron is that when both had stacked teams Lebron struggled or got destroyed by Duncan while kobe would destroy Duncan. Lebron knew this fact and thus avoided Kobe.

[GrayGoat]

Kawhi struggles to stay on the hardwood

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi struggles to stay on the hardwood

How we know Kobe was greater than Lebron is that when both had stacked teams Lebron struggled or got destroyed by Duncan while kobe would destroy Duncan. Lebron knew this fact and thus avoided Kobe.

[sdot_thadon]

Jordan had games and shots that altered a franchise's fortunes and future

Otoh, Lebron's series against the Pistons was the team's peak - it was all downhill after that..

Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance lacked the teammate development, fits and brand of ball (coachability) to build a team up and win organically, so he had to be a talent-based winner (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy).






Averages are important - if Lebron won the East (07') and a Finals (13') with several less PPG than Jordan ever


There were good Eastern teams in 04', 06' and 08' but the majority of years from 01-09' were won by 1-star teams (Iverson, Lebron, Dwight, Kidd twice)

So the conference was mostly win by 1-star teams and was going to be wide open for the next decade, yet that's the conference he formed super-teams in.

Posted all that trash, but can't provide a game Mj had like that one. Because he never had one. Period.

The rest of the post is trash but I'll show you something since you always repost this stupid argument like it's truth.

00 Pacers- Miller, Davis
01 Sixers- AI, Ratliff, Mutombo
02 Nets - Kidd
03 Nets- Kidd
04 Pistons- Wallace
05 Pistons- Wallace
06 Heat- Wade, Shaq (Pistons send 4 guys)
07 Cavs- Lebron ( Pistons send 2 guys)
08 Celtics- Kg, Allen, Pierce (Pistons send 3 guys)
09 Magic - Dwight, Lewis, Nelson
10 Celtics- Kg, Rondo, Pierce

Allstars on each team that won the East in the 2000s.

Mostly one star teams right? Stop the Cap.

[kawhileonard2]

How we know Kobe was greater than Lebron is that when both had stacked teams Lebron struggled or got destroyed by Duncan while kobe would destroy Duncan. Lebron knew this fact and thus avoided Kobe.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I’m with 3ball, all children should be raised in poverty without a father. It’s really an advantage which hurts LeBrons legacy.

Jordan didn’t have that advantage. He was cursed with a nice childhood and 2 loving parents. : (

[Axe]

I’m with 3ball, all children should be raised in poverty without a father. It’s really an advantage which hurts LeBrons legacy.

Jordan didn’t have that advantage. He was cursed with a nice childhood and 2 loving parents. : (

Jordan's father was killed due to his gambling habits.